Congratulations GSE and Suggestions

[jetsforever]

Well, the finals aren't completed yet although it looks like GSE will be victorious. Regardless, congratulations to all teams that completed their squad, made the playoffs or at the very least put up a fight to qualify. This game needs activity and while we didn't finish as quickly as we did last year, we still finished this game up pretty fast.

Thank you especially to my co-commissioners ebbs and homestar for keeping the board up to date with me. It truly is appreciated. These games can't go without the help of you guys. Also, a big thumbs up to all the other GMs who took time out of there day to inform other gms when they were up, even when it wasn't their turn to do so. You guys truly help the game.

Having said all of this, this was by far the worst game I have ever participated in. I also know I am not the only one who has said this. The 2009 mock where we had 3 different commissioners before it finally ended is probably the only game that ended up with more people unhappy. So I think we need changes.

Tell me what went wrong with this game. If you want to bash me, feel free to do so. I can take it like a man. If you want to say certain players shouldn't be in the game anymore, I think you should probably PM me the name of those players instead of posting that here. I can make a list of that and consider if its just a grudge or an actually positive idea. We don't need anymore drama from this game so I don't think including them here will do much of anything. Just tell me what you didn't like and lets see what we can do. I highly doubt I will be running this game next Summer simply because its too hard for me to do at that time but we can still base ideas off from this thread on what went wrong.

Also, include suggestions here as to how this game can get better. Lots of people said the voting system is stale. That's fine but how else do you think it can be done fairly? Make suggestions to make the game fresher. ANY SUGGESTION IS APPRECIATED.

Thanks guys.

[BrianWestKins]

Congrats to the Monkeys for building a great team and making it to the SB, and thanks to jf for running this thing. It's a thankless job but someone has to do it.

[mightybosstone]

The GSE built a fantastic team and were worthy champions. Congratulations to them and thanks to all the commissioners for running the game.

That being said, I think there a few simple things we could do for the game (assuming there is one). Some simple things that could have been done this time around are adding conferences and defining the number of rounds and the mandatory number of players at each position from the beginning. I know people some people disagree with me on the conferences, but it's not a complicated thing to add. I think it will encourage more PRs and make seeding far easier at the end. For example, we're finishing up the NBA Re-draft right now, and even though it's much shorter, we've had 10 sets of PRs compared to four in this game, which has twice as many rounds.

In terms of the roster, I thought the whole FB thing and the 27th round was just unnecessary and confusing. Personally, I think 25 rounds is more than enough and really the last 2-3 rounds could probably be open rounds.

And overall, I just think everyone needed to be more active, GMs and commishes both. Nobody blames anyone for having stuff to deal with in their real life, but GMs should not be joining this game if they don't have time to make picks. And commishes should not be running the game if they don't have time to answer questions or update the draft board. Maybe it's more a matter of getting more commissioners next time around and either more GMs or more GMs per team to ensure that we don't have inactive teams in the game.

[Eagles4Lyfe]

Congrats westy you did well and JF I saw absolutely nothing wrong with your commissioning.

Good job man and hope all goes well in the future with everyone here.

[LegendX]

#FreeNorm

[Ramon Nivar]

I guess we have to clamp down a bit more on what the roster limits are. I don't know why this was the first game where not only one but several people were confused about what they needed but apparently the rules thread needs to be bolded or something and we should get less creativity to ensure it works out.

[xxplayerxx23]

Congrates to GSE and Monkeys, both of you had great teams. It was fun and I will be back next year,suggestions to have it more organized and cut down on the bull ****.

[Ebbs]

Congrats.

I don't know and this is way out there. But what if next year the voting was done on another sports forum? Like we play the game here but we post playoffs on another forum where people aren't biased voting for their buddies etc? Not sure if that would be allowed on are forum.

Another idea I think is no more voting by GM's in the game. People have proven again again they can't and won't vote for who they believe is the best team. Politics have played to much of a role in people's decisionsz

[mightybosstone]

I don't know and this is way out there. But what if next year the voting was done on another sports forum? Like we play the game here but we post playoffs on another forum where people aren't biased voting for their buddies etc? Not sure if that would be allowed on are forum.

I really like this idea, but I think it would be hard to find a forum where we could get enough votes. I dabbled in other forums in the past, and it was hard to get much activity in those voting threads. Also, I'm pretty sure the moderators would hate this idea.

Another idea I think is no more voting by GM's in the game. People have proven again again they can't and won't vote for who they believe is the best team. Politics have played to much of a role in people's decisionsz

I really struggle with this idea, because I see what you're going for, but most of the time, more than 50 percent of the votes come from the GMs. Also, the GMs are usually among the most knowledgeable and active PSD voters. If you eliminate them, you'll end up with threads with only 10-12 votes from a lot of guys who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

An idea I've suggested in the past is that we don't add a poll at all. Instead, you leave a thread up for two days and ask people to post the team they're voting for with 1-2 sentences explaining why they think that team would win. It forces voters to actually look at the teams for more than five seconds and provide legitimate reasoning.

[Ramon Nivar]

I like that idea, but how would we find a good sized forum willing to do that?

[Ebbs]

I'm not sure. I honestly haven't seen much of any other forums because I piss enough time away on PSD.

I'm not sure that would be allowed by PSD or the other forum but worth looking into.

[PocketKings]

The voting system is broken and their is no ideal fix.

I don't know what is worse to deal with: the bias/the favoritism/the grudges of GM's hold in voting or the lack of knowledge/the lack of reason/the perceived prejudices of the general NFL Forum voter?

I don't think segregating or limited the eligible voter pool is anywhere near a possible solution.

This may apply more towards the NBA games, but their is a huge player prejudice that occurs which makes the games far too predictable and it is unfair to the "integrity" of playing these games. It's the same cycle of **** each game.

I know the "system/game" is broken, but any actual "solution/fix" really either isolates and segregates the voting pool or just allows these perceived prejudices towards players go unanswered and cannot be changed.

Either way, I do like the idea of ridding the poll and making it an explanation-based vote, but the problem with that is, who is to constitute or say an explanatory vote is acceptable or not?

[mightybosstone]

Either way, I do like the idea of ridding the poll and making it an explanation-based vote, but the problem with that is, who is to constitute or say an explanatory vote is acceptable or not?

Yeah, I'm not saying it's perfect. You'll get a lot of "I'm voting for Team X, because I think their team is better" or just "Team X" responses. But it's because voters don't take it seriously enough. I think if GMs really embraced this idea and took it seriously, other general voters would follow suit over time and this could work as a legitimate voting method.

The problem with that is that it's GMs who are cheating and ****ing up these games. I don't think there is a perfect voting method or a way to really fix this problem. But a good start would be eliminating GMs who are cheating from ever participating again.

[NormSizedMidget]

The problem with that is that it's GMs who are cheating and ****ing up these games.

Lulz. I must always be on your mind.

Anyways, on a completely serious note. Here's my responses and following with my ideas.

A. That forum idea, it's not horrible. Especially since it would lessen pandering to the PSD crowd, like certain hyped players or large fanbases. But it's never going to happen. The first rule of forums is always don't talk about other forums. Especially COMPETING forums. It would have to be a competing one. It just can't happen.

B. Someone brought up the Madden sim. We don't draft a whole team bros. And you can't fantasy draft anymore. Just won't work. That being said...there is a pro football PC simulator, I used to have it, name evades me. I know Ramon knows it. It's possible to work it something in there. I have an idea on that somewhat later on.

Here's my ideas on improving the game. I think most of all it needs to be shook up. It's getting stale.

Voting: I don't think you eliminate GM voting. It just needs to be less of a factor. My idea is not completely formed but I think if we could allow GM voting to be a third, something outside a third, most likely purely how we have been doing the matchups (sort of, see part B) (this works far better purely for matchups, not playoff voting..which to me isn't the issue..I don't hardly ever have seeding issues), and a "BCS committee." Something like 5 guys or so. Non players, possibly guys who don't have the time. Sean comes to mind instantly. I bet Wiss would do it. We could find others. They could look over the rosters and writeups and give a brief take on their game and the outcome. Think Pregame show analysts. Something like that.

Voting Part B: GM voting should count more than some clown who clicks a button because one team has his favorite player. So a thread would be posted within the RD forum for GM VOTES, one for non GM votes in the main. My one third. I also really like MBT's idea of not allowing just click votes and making them at least say something. But this is PSD. They'll just say dumb ****. What if I say, oh Norm's team, because the other guy has Quitler. Does thta count? Just because he typed a message? Like, where' the line on it is what I'm asking.

I think with the voting of GM's being less this would also reduce the amount of HOLY **** HORRIBLE PICK HE SUCKS fighting. Doesn't eliminate it but reduces since it's not all about influencing them and you're *** kissing other GM's won't get you auto playoffs either.

Voting Part C: The voting threads aren't up near long enough. We should see if a memo could be posted in the the popular sections possibly about votes. A mini idea would be to compile some sort of list of guys we as a group respect in the NFL forum as a whole that we could PM and politely request voting from when matchups were posted. Probably won't happen but we need more legit votes from real dudes.

Voting D: Push the RD start back. Pushing the voting back to after regular season start, how far...for me...farther the better.

Voting E: Not sure if I like this or not but HFA means jack **** in these, it's important in real life. If you are a 1 facing an 8, that shouldn't better but you earned that seed. I think in the MAIN forum voting you should be giving extra votes, maybe just one, maybe 2. I don't know. But HFA means nothing in these games.


Draft: We need to go to slotted drafting. The draft opened 7-25 end closed 8-24. Assume we actually have a full 32 teams. We draft 26 guys. That's 27 and some change picks a day, so we'll say we need 28 picks a day. (We won't have 32 teams, I'm just making an example). You open at 8AM and close at 10PM. That's half our slotted drafting. 8, 8 30, 9, 9 30...unless my math is off wrong. Considering we won't have 32 teams and closer to 20. We'll shorten this a great deal. And You WOULD NOT have the first few rounds slotted like that. That would be old rules. Probably around 6? Maybe 5. You could easily drop a lot of time off this thing. The other forum that I know that has a ton of these switched to this years ago. The other ones always died. It's perfect for someone like me and I think lots of others. You will always know when you will pick, You will know your 26th pick time after your 5th pick. Makes it far easier to be ready to rock and far less wasted time waiting for people to show up.

Obviously the issue with this is sending lists. If you send a list, and those people disappear, we can't make people wait and push back the slotting. I have an idea for this, a way for messages (picks) to be posted at a certain time (not on PSD) but if the guy you wanted is gone (and you would not want to reveal a list) that's going to be an issue.

I'm personally tired of 75% of the posts being people whining about not having someone on, tired of having to VM people, or trying to be the good guy and VM ahead. Tired of people posted over and over about getting a roll going.


Rookies: Put them in. I'm tired of the old "vets" acting like wah wah they get overrated. Rookies make impacts. Despite what they want to believe. Tons of guys live on last years' "hype" in these too and don't repeat. Limit every team to one rookie. Problem solved.

Salary Cap: It sucks. Get rid of it. It's pointless. We're not going on a FA signing bonanza. Sometimes idiots get overpaid and then become boarderline undraftable. It's a pain in the *** to compute, not hard, just a pain in the ***. In the end it's not a deciding factor in anything. We don't need the equalization of a salary cap when we have that in a serpentine draft. We all have equal ability (theoretically) to draft the same amount of talent since drafting high or low should be equaled out. Nobody can go crazy and get FAR better players because they're going to spend more fake money. It's senseless. It added some strategy, but I just don't like it. Waste of time, doesn't matter, we're all on an even playing field already. Nobody can take advantage of a non salary cap to sign more players or anything...not needed.

Twitter/AIM: I wish we could force people to at least have one. If we slot everything, not AS needed but everyone has a damn phone. It's not hard to get twitter and use it. Anyone can figure it out and it works on smart and dumb phones.

Commishes: We need more people with the ability to update the draft threads. Commishes have always done fine but they can't be here every day all day. There's PLENTY of people trustworthy enough to be allowed those privs within the RD forum. It would hurt nothing.

No NBA forum chooseyourownwordhere.IbetyoucanguesswhatImean: If your favorite sport isn't the NFL GTFO. Okay this a joke, but seriously, no NBA forum chooseyourownwordhere.IbetyoucanguesswhatImean.


I have more. One of them would really be awesome for the matchup postings. One is something I've talked about but it'd be easier if I made examples and I'm tired of typing. Kudos to anyone who actually read all that. You have less of a life than I.

[Lucky.]

Lulz. I must always be on your mind.

Anyways, on a completely serious note. Here's my responses and following with my ideas.

A. That forum idea, it's not horrible. Especially since it would lessen pandering to the PSD crowd, like certain hyped players or large fanbases. But it's never going to happen. The first rule of forums is always don't talk about other forums. Especially COMPETING forums. It would have to be a competing one. It just can't happen.

B. Someone brought up the Madden sim. We don't draft a whole team bros. And you can't fantasy draft anymore. Just won't work. That being said...there is a pro football PC simulator, I used to have it, name evades me. I know Ramon knows it. It's possible to work it something in there. I have an idea on that somewhat later on.

Here's my ideas on improving the game. I think most of all it needs to be shook up. It's getting stale.

Voting: I don't think you eliminate GM voting. It just needs to be less of a factor. My idea is not completely formed but I think if we could allow GM voting to be a third, something outside a third, most likely purely how we have been doing the matchups (sort of, see part B) (this works far better purely for matchups, not playoff voting..which to me isn't the issue..I don't hardly ever have seeding issues), and a "BCS committee." Something like 5 guys or so. Non players, possibly guys who don't have the time. Sean comes to mind instantly. I bet Wiss would do it. We could find others. They could look over the rosters and writeups and give a brief take on their game and the outcome. Think Pregame show analysts. Something like that.

Voting Part B: GM voting should count more than some clown who clicks a button because one team has his favorite player. So a thread would be posted within the RD forum for GM VOTES, one for non GM votes in the main. My one third. I also really like MBT's idea of not allowing just click votes and making them at least say something. But this is PSD. They'll just say dumb ****. What if I say, oh Norm's team, because the other guy has Quitler. Does thta count? Just because he typed a message? Like, where' the line on it is what I'm asking.

I think with the voting of GM's being less this would also reduce the amount of HOLY **** HORRIBLE PICK HE SUCKS fighting. Doesn't eliminate it but reduces since it's not all about influencing them and you're *** kissing other GM's won't get you auto playoffs either.

Voting Part C: The voting threads aren't up near long enough. We should see if a memo could be posted in the the popular sections possibly about votes. A mini idea would be to compile some sort of list of guys we as a group respect in the NFL forum as a whole that we could PM and politely request voting from when matchups were posted. Probably won't happen but we need more legit votes from real dudes.

Voting D: Push the RD start back. Pushing the voting back to after regular season start, how far...for me...farther the better.

Voting E: Not sure if I like this or not but HFA means jack **** in these, it's important in real life. If you are a 1 facing an 8, that shouldn't better but you earned that seed. I think in the MAIN forum voting you should be giving extra votes, maybe just one, maybe 2. I don't know. But HFA means nothing in these games.


Draft: We need to go to slotted drafting. The draft opened 7-25 end closed 8-24. Assume we actually have a full 32 teams. We draft 26 guys. That's 27 and some change picks a day, so we'll say we need 28 picks a day. (We won't have 32 teams, I'm just making an example). You open at 8AM and close at 10PM. That's half our slotted drafting. 8, 8 30, 9, 9 30...unless my math is off wrong. Considering we won't have 32 teams and closer to 20. We'll shorten this a great deal. And You WOULD NOT have the first few rounds slotted like that. That would be old rules. Probably around 6? Maybe 5. You could easily drop a lot of time off this thing. The other forum that I know that has a ton of these switched to this years ago. The other ones always died. It's perfect for someone like me and I think lots of others. You will always know when you will pick, You will know your 26th pick time after your 5th pick. Makes it far easier to be ready to rock and far less wasted time waiting for people to show up.

Obviously the issue with this is sending lists. If you send a list, and those people disappear, we can't make people wait and push back the slotting. I have an idea for this, a way for messages (picks) to be posted at a certain time (not on PSD) but if the guy you wanted is gone (and you would not want to reveal a list) that's going to be an issue.

I'm personally tired of 75% of the posts being people whining about not having someone on, tired of having to VM people, or trying to be the good guy and VM ahead. Tired of people posted over and over about getting a roll going.


Rookies: Put them in. I'm tired of the old "vets" acting like wah wah they get overrated. Rookies make impacts. Despite what they want to believe. Tons of guys live on last years' "hype" in these too and don't repeat. Limit every team to one rookie. Problem solved.

Salary Cap: It sucks. Get rid of it. It's pointless. We're not going on a FA signing bonanza. Sometimes idiots get overpaid and then become boarderline undraftable. It's a pain in the *** to compute, not hard, just a pain in the ***. In the end it's not a deciding factor in anything. We don't need the equalization of a salary cap when we have that in a serpentine draft. We all have equal ability (theoretically) to draft the same amount of talent since drafting high or low should be equaled out. Nobody can go crazy and get FAR better players because they're going to spend more fake money. It's senseless. It added some strategy, but I just don't like it. Waste of time, doesn't matter, we're all on an even playing field already. Nobody can take advantage of a non salary cap to sign more players or anything...not needed.

Twitter/AIM: I wish we could force people to at least have one. If we slot everything, not AS needed but everyone has a damn phone. It's not hard to get twitter and use it. Anyone can figure it out and it works on smart and dumb phones.

Commishes: We need more people with the ability to update the draft threads. Commishes have always done fine but they can't be here every day all day. There's PLENTY of people trustworthy enough to be allowed those privs within the RD forum. It would hurt nothing.

No NBA forum chooseyourownwordhere.IbetyoucanguesswhatImean: If your favorite sport isn't the NFL GTFO. Okay this a joke, but seriously, no NBA forum chooseyourownwordhere.IbetyoucanguesswhatImean.


I have more. One of them would really be awesome for the matchup postings. One is something I've talked about but it'd be easier if I made examples and I'm tired of typing. Kudos to anyone who actually read all that. You have less of a life than I.