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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnGoat View Post
    John L. Smith won't last half a season at this rate. He was only on a 10 month contract to begin with, so it's not a big deal, but this is already a lost season for the Hogs. No point in keeping a lame duck coach around much longer when he's already given you every excuse in the world to fire him.

    With the rumors about Strong (who's apparently very interested) and some other names like Butch Davis (who lives in the area), I can't imagine Smith making it through the first week of October as the Head Coach.

    Also, I'd love to see Chizik fired. I've never been impressed with him as a coach and Auburn's championship season was one of the flukiest I can remember...that team would have been middle of the pack SEC at best without Cam Newton (that should tell you how ridiculously good he was in his 1 season there).
    Yep. You take away the season they bought a Heisman quarterback and Chizik is a career 6-7 win a season coach. Not good enough at Auburn.... He gets one more year and then gets fired would be my guess.

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    Arkansas has to make a coaching change and now.... This is just killing the perception of their program.

    They lose 34-31 to LA Monroe

    They lose 52-0 to Alabama

    They lose 35-26 to Rutgers

    They lose 58-10 to Texas A&M

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    Arkansas has to make a coaching change and now.... This is just killing the perception of their program.

    They lose 34-31 to LA Monroe

    They lose 52-0 to Alabama

    They lose 35-26 to Rutgers

    They lose 58-10 to Texas A&M
    I don't really see the point now. He's under a 10 month contract, it's known he isnt coming back. He's a coach put intentionally into a bad situation. They've clearly underachieved and he's a huge reason but he's already a temp coach, they won't be winning any national championships or bcs Bowls anyway. Let him finish and start looking for a coach for next year. Don't see a point in firing a guy who will be jobless on a few months anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy15 View Post
    I don't really see the point now. He's under a 10 month contract, it's known he isnt coming back. He's a coach put intentionally into a bad situation. They've clearly underachieved and he's a huge reason but he's already a temp coach, they won't be winning any national championships or bcs Bowls anyway. Let him finish and start looking for a coach for next year. Don't see a point in firing a guy who will be jobless on a few months anyway
    If they are fine with killing their current recruiting class....

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    If they are fine with killing their current recruiting class....
    It's not gonna effect their recruiting class good or bad. he's a temp. all the players committed or considering Arkansas know he won't be there next year. Smartest thing they can do is go out and get the next coach hired but he's not gonna coach there till next season anyway unless they hire someone in house.

    They already lost their biggest recruiting game and got destroyed doing it, a new coach won't help them beat LSU, it will be a coach that's already in house and obviously the group isn't getting it done.

    This years a wash for Arkansas. The only thing they can do is make a big hire for next year to help recruiting, someone with a big name kids will wanna play for. Otherwise the new coach will have to come in, try to keep committed kids and then bring in the rest of the class.

    But a new coach the rest of the years does nothing because

    1. Everyone knows Smith won't be back, recruits are already uneasy, firing a temp for another temp doesn't fix that.

    2. The new coach would already be in Arkansas system, no outside coach is gonna take a job halfway through the season to come be the head coach at Arkansas. They don't have time to work in their system, get their own coaches or work with players.

    3. They already lost the Alabama game so badly that the only way to assure recruits stay is to hire a new, top level coach that will keep and bring in new recruits like Ohio state did with urban Meyer. Otherwise Arkansas will need to go through a transition till the coach proves himself. Even if they destroy LSU recruits and rival coaches will point to the Alabama game.

    There is just no sense to firing a guy will 3 more months to go that you know isn't gonna be back, wasn't ever going to be back and you hired for this reason. Only thing that saves recruiting is a big time coach. Otherwise some will leave, some will decommit. All the players and recruits know that he's not there for the long run. Just this year. He has no effect on recruiting, only the next hire will. Petrino brought it on the program

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    I watched Ohio state go through the same thing last year. Their current commits will wait and see who they hire, some new ones will visit but not many commits. Maybe a few in state guys. After the new coach is announced there will be big movements by recruits. Till then they'll wait and see. But smith won't have any effect on recruiting anymore after the Alabama loss. But let's face it, Arkansas probably loses that game no matter the coach.

    Now all they can do is hire a coach, convince kids they will be part of the new start at Arkansas and get it back together. After Petrino was fired all the damage was done, they were gonna be abad team no matter the coach
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    How about an update.

    Joker Phillips - Kentucky 1-6

    Gone. Been Gone. They lost 49-7 to a 3-4 Arkansas team in a game that ended in the 3rd quarter because of weather. If not for that it would have been the biggest SEC win ever by Arkansas. Tyler Wilson had 273 yards and 3 touchdowns in the 1st quarter.

    You look at the schedule and the absolute best Kentucky can finish is 3-9 and that is expecting them to upset somebody like Tennessee or Vanderbilt.

    Gene Chizik - Auburn 1-5

    Its hard to imagine a man that won a national championship 2 years ago getting fired but its become more and more obvious that championship had little do with the head coach. Now that those players are gone and his coaching staff changed this team is garbage. They are looking at ending up 3-9 or 4-8. Because I seriously doubt they are gonna beat Georgia, Alabama or Texas A&M this year.

    You look at the last 3 coaching changes

    Tommy Tuberville went 5-7 and he got fired (had 1 undefeated season and 2 SEC championships)

    Terry Bowden went 3-8 and got fired (had 1 undefeated season and 1 SEC championship)

    Pat Dye went 5-5 and got fired (had 4 SEC championships)

    And all 3 had a better winning percentage at Auburn than Gene Chizik when they got fired.

    Derek Dooley - Tennessee (3-3)

    They are sitting at 3-3 but you have to look at the big picture. They still have Alabama, South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Missouri left to play. So they could end up finishing 7-5 or they could go 5-7. Either way this was the season that the program had been pointing to since Dooley's arrival at UT. And if they best they can do is win 6-7 wins in a good year.... But some points to consider

    Derek Dooley is 0-13 against ranked opponents (will be 0-15 in a couple weeks)

    Derek Dooley is 4-15 against SEC opponents (will be 4-17 in a couple weeks)

    Derek Dooley has never won a game when trailing at or after halftime.

    This is his 6th year as a head coach and he has only 1 winning season to show for it.

    This year against SEC opponents they are allowing nearly 500 yards and 43 points per game.

    Next year they have a much harder schedule with Oregon as a non-conference opponent and Texas A&M replacing Miss State.

    They are facing the possibility of losing 11 of 22 starters depending on if Bray, Hunter and Patterson decide to leave a year early for the draft. If that happens in combination with a harder schedule this team is looking at having a really bad year in 2013.

    I don't know many other situations as well but here are some from a glance.

    Southern Miss 0-6

    Some of you may be thinking big deal its Southern Miss but they actually have a pretty solid football tradition. They haven't had a losing season or missed a bowl game since 1993. If they lose one more game then both of those go out the window.

    Charlie Weis - Kansas 1-5

    You have to wonder how bad they have to be for the rotund one to get the axe. When he was hired he talked about how he got fired because Kansas was 2-10 and Kansas State was 10-2 and that needed to change.... Well right now Kansas will be lucky to finish 2-10 seeing that they are currently 1-5 and have played the easiest part of their schedule.

    Furthermore they lost by 40 points to Kansas State and the losses to Rice and Northern Illinois are very damaging.

    Colorado 1-5

    They are sitting at 1-5 and have played the easiest part of their schedule. They play USC, Oregon and Stanford the next 3 games. And then still have Utah, Washington and Arizona as well. They could very easily end up 1-11 and a change would have to be made at head coach.

    Hawaii 1-5

    I remember not very long ago this program was almost a lock to win 10 games in the WAC. Now they are looking at only winning a couple games. They are 1-5 and have Boise State, Fresno State and Air Force which look like losses on paper. And then Colorado State they should win but who who knows.... Then UNLV and South Alabama are 1-6 and 1-5 but have losses to mostly solid teams and have played some teams better than this Hawaii team right down to the wire. But if they only win 2-3 games you would think a change needs to come for Hawaii.

    Illinois 2-5

    Tim Beckman has had a very rough time his first season as head coach. I know in the past Illinois has had some bad seasons. But this year they are just flat out awful. They have wins over Western Michigan and Charleston Southern but those 5 losses they were outscored 208-59. They still have Ohio State, Northwestern, Minnesota and Purdue left to play as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    How about an update.

    Joker Phillips - Kentucky 1-6

    Gone. Been Gone. They lost 49-7 to a 3-4 Arkansas team in a game that ended in the 3rd quarter because of weather. If not for that it would have been the biggest SEC win ever by Arkansas. Tyler Wilson had 273 yards and 3 touchdowns in the 1st quarter.

    You look at the schedule and the absolute best Kentucky can finish is 3-9 and that is expecting them to upset somebody like Tennessee or Vanderbilt.

    Gene Chizik - Auburn 1-5

    Its hard to imagine a man that won a national championship 2 years ago getting fired but its become more and more obvious that championship had little do with the head coach. Now that those players are gone and his coaching staff changed this team is garbage. They are looking at ending up 3-9 or 4-8. Because I seriously doubt they are gonna beat Georgia, Alabama or Texas A&M this year.

    You look at the last 3 coaching changes

    Tommy Tuberville went 5-7 and he got fired (had 1 undefeated season and 2 SEC championships)

    Terry Bowden went 3-8 and got fired (had 1 undefeated season and 1 SEC championship)

    Pat Dye went 5-5 and got fired (had 4 SEC championships)

    And all 3 had a better winning percentage at Auburn than Gene Chizik when they got fired.

    Derek Dooley - Tennessee (3-3)

    They are sitting at 3-3 but you have to look at the big picture. They still have Alabama, South Carolina, Vanderbilt and Missouri left to play. So they could end up finishing 7-5 or they could go 5-7. Either way this was the season that the program had been pointing to since Dooley's arrival at UT. And if they best they can do is win 6-7 wins in a good year.... But some points to consider

    Derek Dooley is 0-13 against ranked opponents (will be 0-15 in a couple weeks)

    Derek Dooley is 4-15 against SEC opponents (will be 4-17 in a couple weeks)

    Derek Dooley has never won a game when trailing at or after halftime.

    This is his 6th year as a head coach and he has only 1 winning season to show for it.

    This year against SEC opponents they are allowing nearly 500 yards and 43 points per game.

    Next year they have a much harder schedule with Oregon as a non-conference opponent and Texas A&M replacing Miss State.

    They are facing the possibility of losing 11 of 22 starters depending on if Bray, Hunter and Patterson decide to leave a year early for the draft. If that happens in combination with a harder schedule this team is looking at having a really bad year in 2013.

    I don't know many other situations as well but here are some from a glance.

    Southern Miss 0-6

    Some of you may be thinking big deal its Southern Miss but they actually have a pretty solid football tradition. They haven't had a losing season or missed a bowl game since 1993. If they lose one more game then both of those go out the window.

    Charlie Weis - Kansas 1-5

    You have to wonder how bad they have to be for the rotund one to get the axe. When he was hired he talked about how he got fired because Kansas was 2-10 and Kansas State was 10-2 and that needed to change.... Well right now Kansas will be lucky to finish 2-10 seeing that they are currently 1-5 and have played the easiest part of their schedule.

    Furthermore they lost by 40 points to Kansas State and the losses to Rice and Northern Illinois are very damaging.

    Colorado 1-5

    They are sitting at 1-5 and have played the easiest part of their schedule. They play USC, Oregon and Stanford the next 3 games. And then still have Utah, Washington and Arizona as well. They could very easily end up 1-11 and a change would have to be made at head coach.

    Hawaii 1-5

    I remember not very long ago this program was almost a lock to win 10 games in the WAC. Now they are looking at only winning a couple games. They are 1-5 and have Boise State, Fresno State and Air Force which look like losses on paper. And then Colorado State they should win but who who knows.... Then UNLV and South Alabama are 1-6 and 1-5 but have losses to mostly solid teams and have played some teams better than this Hawaii team right down to the wire. But if they only win 2-3 games you would think a change needs to come for Hawaii.

    Illinois 2-5

    Tim Beckman has had a very rough time his first season as head coach. I know in the past Illinois has had some bad seasons. But this year they are just flat out awful. They have wins over Western Michigan and Charleston Southern but those 5 losses they were outscored 208-59. They still have Ohio State, Northwestern, Minnesota and Purdue left to play as well.
    Weis isn't going to be fired after one year especially with the crap he was left with from Turner Gill. Kansas has been relatively competitive so far in all there games except the second half against KSU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Analyst View Post
    Weis isn't going to be fired after one year especially with the crap he was left with from Turner Gill. Kansas has been relatively competitive so far in all there games except the second half against KSU.
    I guess you are right there is something to be said about almost beating Rice and Northern Illinois....

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    Didn't Ellis Johnson just take over at Southern Miss? Or am I thinking of someone else?

    I think one of the biggest problems with programs like Tennessee and Auburn is they hired coaches who aren't great recruiters. Chizik has reeled in some solid talent and they're square in the middle of a hotbed of top notch high school players, but Will Muschamp at Florida, Mark Richt at Georgia, Nick Saban at Alabama, Jimbo Fisher at Florida State, Dabo Swinney at Clemson, they're all standout recruiters. Auburn needs a standout recruiter to go to war against those guys in the offseasons.

    Charlie Strong at Louisville is one of the best in the business and he knows the SEC having coordinated at Florida and South Carolina. I'll be floored if one of Auburn, Arkansas, or Tennessee doesn't hire him.

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    Frank Spaziani is as good as gone with the new AD coming in now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish1314 View Post
    Didn't Ellis Johnson just take over at Southern Miss? Or am I thinking of someone else?

    I think one of the biggest problems with programs like Tennessee and Auburn is they hired coaches who aren't great recruiters. Chizik has reeled in some solid talent and they're square in the middle of a hotbed of top notch high school players, but Will Muschamp at Florida, Mark Richt at Georgia, Nick Saban at Alabama, Jimbo Fisher at Florida State, Dabo Swinney at Clemson, they're all standout recruiters. Auburn needs a standout recruiter to go to war against those guys in the offseasons.

    Charlie Strong at Louisville is one of the best in the business and he knows the SEC having coordinated at Florida and South Carolina. I'll be floored if one of Auburn, Arkansas, or Tennessee doesn't hire him.
    Supposedly Arkansas is gonna throw everything at Charlie Strong because he is from Arkansas and played college ball at Central Arkansas. I think he is probably the best coaching prospect out there right now and somebody needs to get him fast.

    Do think him coaching at Florida has any bearing on whether or not he would go to Tennessee?

    That is something else to point out about Derek Dooley is that he has had a top 20 recruiting class so far every year at Tennessee and still struggles to hover around .500. If you look at the teams that had top 20 recruiting classes in 2010 and 2011 you will find that Tennessee is the only one with a losing record.

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    The way Joker Phillips has tanked that program shows how good of a coach Rich Brooks was. He was competitive in the SEC with a doormat program, and that's what he did at Oregon as well.
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    WoW Check out what the students done to the rock done in Knoxville... They want Dooley gone LOL

    http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/k4...erts/pxxJH.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    WoW Check out what the students done to the rock done in Knoxville... They want Dooley gone LOL

    http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/k4...erts/pxxJH.png
    wow!

    (side note: my friend and i have a pic of us gator chomping in front of that rock from years ago)
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