its over within a week, nothing missed
some of the preseason cancelled, regular season ok
all of preseason gone, some of regular season gone
all preseason gone, majorly condensed regular season
no regular season at all. we're all muy triste.
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Anyway back to hockey I would like to see if Lucic or Malkin or Crosby bring in as much as they are paid?
Behind Every Great Fortune Lies A Great Crime...
I support NHLPA 100%
because owners make a fortune off of those guys.
When i buy Bruins tickets, i look at the opposing teams star players. I've seen Ovechkin,Miller,Kovalchuk.. you gotta see these guys play in person
My mom would tell me she never knew how good Gretzky actually was until she seen him play in person.
Me personally no, so I hope the owners win and the price of tickets stay the same or drop.
I voted for the second option. I don't think we'll loose the whole season. BTW this sucks. The NFL refs suck, the NBA season needs to start already and the Red Sox well that's another story. I know some of you guys hate other sports but damn, I'm still PO'd after last nights Pats loss.
20+ years from now I and others will look back @WMXXX and say remember when Brock Beat The Undertaker? More people will remember his only loss more than those 21 Straight wins.
I'm not sure if anyone is even checking in on this thread anymore but with nothing going on in the NHL and the Sox sucking, I figured what the hell.
I have to side with the players on this one. And it's not because the owners are super rich. It's for two main reasons. First, the owners came at the NHLPA with such a ludicrous offer to start the negotiations that it's laughable that they're using it as a reference point. I keep hearing Daly say "we've moved quite a bit since our first proposal, and now we're waiting for the union to do the same". But the league's first proposal was for the players to take their % of HRR from 57% to 43%, along with a host of other concessions. That's like me offering you $5,000 for your $20,000 car and then acting like I'm doing you a favor by raising my offer to $10,000. I get how negotiations work but that first offer wasn't an offer, it was an insult.
Second, it's widely understood that the players "lost" during the last lockout which killed an entire season. They ended up conceding a lot of things that they didn't want to. In return the owners basically said that the NHL now had a smart and sustainable economic foundation. So here we are 8 years later and the owners are telling the players that the foundation isn't smart or sustainable and they want the players to eat the money needed to make it right. This despite the fact that the league's profits have grown over a billion dollars a year since the lockout. It's like the owners want the players to save them from themselves. The players already did that. What's their incentive to do it again, knowing that the owners will come back with the same argument when the next agreement ends? I'd be fine with there ultimately being somewhere around a 50/50 split of HRR, but the way the owners have handled this whole process is really gross and makes me not want to support their position in the least. Just my 2 cents.
If it wasn't for the owners the players wouldn't have a game to play. They would be playing in their backyard rinks while making minimum wage somewhere. The owners make an investment in the team. The players are the employees. If the owners don't turn a profit, the players aren't going to be playing anything.
A 50-50% split would be fair.
Ut In Omnibus Glorificetur Deus
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There's a mutually beneficial relationship between the owners and players. Yes, the owners provide a venue for the players to exhibit their talents and they take on the financial risks involved. But few people would come watch the owners' teams if they didn't have the most talented players in the world taking the ice.
That's what was so discouraging to me about the owners' initial proposal to the players. It was basically a big FU. And then seeing some of the analogies coming out about ranch owners and cattle is just making things worse. The worst part is that the most talented NHL players, who earn the biggest paychecks, can simply go play in a European league. The people getting hurt the most are A) 3rd and 4th line guys who don't usually earn a lot to begin with and B) the fans, who love the game and just want to be entertained.
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