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    The owners are insane

    They want a 57% cut to 43%. Mind boggling. Not to mention making the UFA 31 when players are old and many are close to retirement. Basically, they want to spit in the players faces and expect them to take it. I love how Bettman tries to make it seem like the players aren't being reasonable. Get a clue Gary. It won't work this time. The owners greed is absurd. People actually are supporting the players and don't buy into the crap you are spewing.

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    Yes, the first proposal calls for 57/43 but thats what it is, a first proposal in negotiation and not all owners are on the same page. I understand how people can get frustrated during this process but its not like selling a car, especially when you're talking about the kind of money that's on the line here. The NHL is a business and this is how these things go, take you fan hat off for a second and try to understand the other side of this thing. If you can.

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    ^ exactly.

    this number is not there goal. if they start out this high though, they will most likely get their goal, which is somewhere in the middle (50 ish).

    if they start out at 50, the players will eventually get it down to the high 40s, which is not what the owners want.

    some people look at this as people taking advantage of others, some look at it as smart.

    these teams are a business for these owners. they will fight to the death to get a good deal.
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    It's funny to see that the owners are being blamed in a sport where a little over half of the teams in the league lose money every year.
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    I have never understood how anyone thinks that the owners should NOT be getting AT LEAST 50% of the profits when it comes to a professional sports franchise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by averymustgo View Post
    They want a 57% cut to 43%. Mind boggling. Not to mention making the UFA 31 when players are old and many are close to retirement. Basically, they want to spit in the players faces and expect them to take it. I love how Bettman tries to make it seem like the players aren't being reasonable. Get a clue Gary. It won't work this time. The owners greed is absurd. People actually are supporting the players and don't buy into the crap you are spewing.
    It always amazes me how self absorbed these owners are with their ****ing money.

    players play because they love the game(or should anyway) the money is just a HUGE added bonus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claude28Giroux View Post
    It always amazes me how self absorbed these owners are with their ****ing money.

    players play because they love the game(or should anyway) the money is just a HUGE added bonus
    Explain to me how not wanting to lose money every year which is something that, according to forbes and other financial evaluators, up to 18 teams do every year is being greedy. And don't pretend like the players only play because they love the game because that's horseshit. While there are plenty of players who realize how lucky they are to do what they do there are also a lot of players who treat it as simply a job like everyone else does. If they didn't care about the money then the issue of a lockout wouldn't be a problem. I'm not saying it's all on the players but Mr. Fehr is probably the reason we won't have hockey this season because he still thinks he's dealing with MLB salaries and he's not. Financially speaking the owners are in the right here and unfortunately most players don't understand what it costs to own and operate a sports franchise because all they have to do is play hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Faithful View Post
    Explain to me how not wanting to lose money every year which is something that, according to forbes and other financial evaluators, up to 18 teams do every year is being greedy. And don't pretend like the players only play because they love the game because that's horseshit. While there are plenty of players who realize how lucky they are to do what they do there are also a lot of players who treat it as simply a job like everyone else does. If they didn't care about the money then the issue of a lockout wouldn't be a problem. I'm not saying it's all on the players but Mr. Fehr is probably the reason we won't have hockey this season because he still thinks he's dealing with MLB salaries and he's not. Financially speaking the owners are in the right here and unfortunately most players don't understand what it costs to own and operate a sports franchise because all they have to do is play hockey.
    you saw the "or they should anyway" right? I know it a job but I think the players enjoy their job right?

    lol bryz

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    If so many teams are having financial trouble, then why do the owners continue to offer obscene contracts to players. Can't blame anyone but the owners here, as even mid-level role players are getting huge offers. Forget about what the star guys are getting...

    Now they are trying to fix the mess they got into. Shame, as we are likely all going to suffer...
    Simple economics you have to spend money to make money and while sometimes it is ill spent those owners believe they are going to benefit from spending in the short term in order to facilitate long term stability and income. If you are going to blame anyone for player salaries it is the players association because they drive the price of their product up since they are there to benefit their constituency. While the owners sign the contracts they are left with no choice seeing as how the market price is set by the NHLPA in the CBA. The players receive a large portion of the revenue sharing agreement and as a result inflate their market value, consequently mid level players seem to be getting paid what many believe to be over-payments and in some cases gross over-payments. Now I understand the animosity towards the owners because it appears as though they are the mean greedy barons of the league which could be true to an extent but to put all the blame on them seems unfair to me since they have done things such as give a majority of the money from the NBC deal to the players in the form of compensation in the future as well as their pensions. Many owners are in the precarious situation of being forced to spend money they don't want to, or in some cases don't have available for that area of their finances, on their teams in order to have the potential at success in the league as well as monetarily. I think they are both at fault, the players more so IMO and I see Mr. Fehr being a very big problem for the NHL, and of course as you and everyone else stated earlier we are truly the ones that suffer unfortunately.

    Quote Originally Posted by Claude28Giroux View Post
    you saw the "or they should anyway" right? I know it a job but I think the players enjoy their job right?
    I did and I apologize for glossing over that but the reality, albeit hockey players for the most part seem to be more humble than other athletes, is that it is a job and while they should, as many do, enjoy their jobs they're are trying to get as much of the revenue as they can whether warranted or not. We all want more money for what we do but they are doing it to the detriment of their own futures and the future of the league. They make more of a percentage than any other league and they have more owners losing money than any other league. So I hope that clears that up if not we can continue this, I'm always up for a discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claude28Giroux View Post
    It always amazes me how self absorbed these owners are with their ****ing money.

    players play because they love the game(or should anyway) the money is just a HUGE added bonus
    If players only played for the love of the game this would not even be an issue. There is no reason any team owner franchise should take a loss. The #1 cost is labor by far. The #1 revenue is ticket sales. So they have 3 choices.

    1. Lower labor costs (Players salaries)
    2. Raise revenue (Ticket prices)
    3. Put a team on the ice that can not compete

    To me the best choice is to ask the players to accept still crazy high but more reasonable salaries. Back in the 50's-60's players had off season jobs. They didn't make 2-9 million dollars a year.

    So you are the owner of a franchise losing money. What do you do? Do you raise ticket prices? Do you put a team on the ice that has no chance to compete? Or do you try to get the players to agree to keep player salaries at a more reasonable level?
    I'm always happy to discuss anything from hoops, to hockey, to reality TV with anyone that is polite no matter what their opinion. With that said if you are disrespectful or dishonest poster please do not expect a reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLY WILLIAMS View Post
    If players only played for the love of the game this would not even be an issue. There is no reason any team owner franchise should take a loss. The #1 cost is labor by far. The #1 revenue is ticket sales. So they have 3 choices.

    1. Lower labor costs (Players salaries)
    2. Raise revenue (Ticket prices)
    3. Put a team on the ice that can not compete

    To me the best choice is to ask the players to accept still crazy high but more reasonable salaries. Back in the 50's-60's players had off season jobs. They didn't make 2-9 million dollars a year.

    So you are the owner of a franchise losing money. What do you do? Do you raise ticket prices? Do you put a team on the ice that has no chance to compete? Or do you try to get the players to agree to keep player salaries at a more reasonable level?
    The problem with that theory is that the league got the deal they wanted last time and ticket prices continued to rise as they continue to throw higher and longer contracts at their players even though there's no guarantee that to win you have to spend. The Calgary Flames have the third highest cap and where has that got them? Montreal, Toronto and Tampa are all in the top 10 as well so there's no reason to think you have to spend to be competitive, Nashville, Florida, ST.LOUIS, Ottawa, and Phoenix were all in the bottom 10 in cap space last year. Secondly the league continues to leave teams in places like Phoenix that continue to cost the entire league money. If they were truly using a business model then that team would have been somewhere else years ago along with a host of other teams that are "losing" money. But the league keeps them around to make it look like they aren't making as much money as they are on the whole for contract negotiations. It all comes down to greed. I've never seen a decent franchise have to search for owners, and that's because they are money makers, even now with Phoenix telling everyone they are a money losing team there's people that wanna buy it and why is that? Because they aren't REALLLY losing money, they might be on paper but people that can afford an NHL franchise didn't get to this point in their life by making bad business decisions. This is all about greed. I guarantee the owners in NY, Toronto, Montreal, Detroit, Boston, Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Chicago, Pitsburgh etc don't want a lock out, they'll lose millions of dollars a day. I see them going past the deadline but the season will start in October IMO.
    The one thing I would like is that the two sides just go work on a deal and stop trying to manipulate the media and the press into thinking one way or the other, it doesn't matter who the bad guy is here, just get the players back on the ice.

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    Is it possible you can ever post without being a miserable person? Doubtful.
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    Good thing I just added you to my ignore list. Great feature.
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    Usually I agree with that but since hockey players end up without half their teeth not to mention multiple scars, I would say they should get more than that. Any owner of a business only makes money because of the product. If your product has the crap beaten out of it for 10 to 15 years, I think the owners can take the less.
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    I <3 u averymustgo!!!

    And business owners only make money when they have a product that's working. Funny thing about that product is they're the ones paying for it. By the way I'm never a miserable person I'm always happy.

    By the way who limits what they read or hear, killing your own right to free speech which includes your ability to hear those who think differently than you or those who think like minded as you.
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