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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    FYI, the plant closed in June 2009 when Obama was in office. PolitiFact got it wrong. One line was closed in Dec. 2008 but the plant was operating until June, 2009.

    http://www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html
    You're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Moroni View Post
    Point is obama didn't save it like promised.
    He promised no such thing.

    He didn't lie. The plant closed one line in 2008 and the rest of the plant closed in June, 2009. I knew someone who worked there and they were waiting for Obama to help save them like he promised and then closed it down because they knew it wasn't going to happen.

    They did close part of it in Dec, 2008 but the whole plant didn't officially close until June of 2009 under Obama's administration.
    He lied when he claimed Obama promised to keep the plant open. If he wants to point a finger, he should be pointing it at GM. Or is this another case of hypocrisy where a Republican claims that he hates government intervention but wants an exception made just for his constituents? Think about it, cause your logic is sorely lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    He didn't lie. The plant closed one line in 2008 and the rest of the plant closed in June, 2009. I knew someone who worked there and they were waiting for Obama to help save them like he promised and then closed it down because they knew it wasn't going to happen.

    They did close part of it in Dec, 2008 but the whole plant didn't officially close until June of 2009 under Obama's administration.
    you're missing my point. Ryan played fast and loose with the truth. call it misleading if you want. but the GOP is having to give lawyer answers to explain how technically it was on Obama's watch instead of hearing all the good sound bites. Ryan comes out as just another pol and the message that comes from the speech is the GOP can't be trusted to tell the truth.

    Bad Politics. You know it was a lie/misleading, I know it was a lie/misleading and more importantly any truly undecided voter knows it is a lie/misleading.

    One of the strengths of the Romney/Ryan ticket at the start of the campaign is the honesty/Boy Scout factor. Stuff like this and the tax return issue only makes them look like just another crooked politician.

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    How did he not lie to keep the plant open, are you dumb?

    He said, and I quote:

    "if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

    He said this to the Janesville plant. Guess what? It did close down under his watch. HE LIED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    How did he not lie to keep the plant open, are you dumb?

    He said, and I quote:

    "if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

    He said this to the Janesville plant. Guess what? It did close down under his watch. HE LIED.
    A little tip for you. Read the thread.

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    You guys can go back and forth about this ridiculous topic all you want - Politicians spin things and lie all the time. Look at the classless ad the Nobama folks put out a very CLASSLESS ad where grandma rolled off a cliff in a wheelchair.


    If you have a care about this country and its future ask yourself this:

    Are we better off now than we were 4 years ago?

    4 years ago NObama ran a campaign based on “hope” and “change” he asked “are we better off now than we were before this administration took office?”

    Well, let’s ask that question again.

    The answer is undeniably NO!!!

    There will always be arguments about Republican this or Democrat that….

    The bottom line is – Nobama is not the answer to our beloved countries problems. Romney may not be perfect but he will do a far better job than Nobama because he actually believes in a neat little piece of paper called the Constitution.



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    I've seen the light! OH LAWD, HALLELLUJAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scully in 2012 View Post
    You guys can go back and forth about this ridiculous topic all you want - Politicians spin things and lie all the time. Look at the classless ad the Nobama folks put out a very CLASSLESS ad where grandma rolled off a cliff in a wheelchair.


    If you have a care about this country and its future ask yourself this:

    Are we better off now than we were 4 years ago?

    4 years ago NObama ran a campaign based on “hope” and “change” he asked “are we better off now than we were before this administration took office?”

    Well, let’s ask that question again.

    The answer is undeniably NO!!!

    There will always be arguments about Republican this or Democrat that….

    The bottom line is – Nobama is not the answer to our beloved countries problems. Romney may not be perfect but he will do a far better job than Nobama because he actually believes in a neat little piece of paper called the Constitution.

    you know what this country needs... more emoticons.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1841819.html


    There's a few more things Ryan mentioned.

    I have no idea how a rational human being can even consider to vote for this.

    Props.LgnD.

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    I have no idea how a rational person can vote for Obama after the past 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scully in 2012 View Post
    You guys can go back and forth about this ridiculous topic all you want - Politicians spin things and lie all the time. Look at the classless ad the Nobama folks put out a very CLASSLESS ad where grandma rolled off a cliff in a wheelchair.


    If you have a care about this country and its future ask yourself this:

    Are we better off now than we were 4 years ago?

    4 years ago NObama ran a campaign based on “hope” and “change” he asked “are we better off now than we were before this administration took office?”

    Well, let’s ask that question again.

    The answer is undeniably NO!!!

    There will always be arguments about Republican this or Democrat that….

    The bottom line is – Nobama is not the answer to our beloved countries problems. Romney may not be perfect but he will do a far better job than Nobama because he actually believes in a neat little piece of paper called the Constitution.

    You are correct

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-district.html

    Paul Ryan Used Government Funds and Power to Try and Save GM Plant: General Motors announced on June 3, 2008 that it intended to close the nearly 100-year-old plant…. the company suspended all operations at the facility by Dec. 23, 2008, eliminating 2,400 jobs. It has been in “standby” mode since….

    Former task-force members as well as press releases and a letter from Ryan’s office show the important role Ryan played when GM moved to shut down the plant, which at its height employed as many as 7,000 people, and was one of two operating at the time in Janesville. Tim Cullen was a member of the Janesville school board when Gov. Jim Doyle asked him to co-chair the task force along with United Auto Workers 95 President Brad Dutcher to fight the shutdown. Ryan or his chief of staff attended all the meetings held by the task force, Cullen said, adding, “We worked with officials from both parties, the local health-care sector, local government, the county, and the city to try to put together a package, a proposal to try to get them to stay in Janesville.” Cullen also said “There was not another elected official who tried harder than Paul Ryan to save the plant,” and that Ryan’s chief of staff, Andy Speth, was often Ryan’s liaison to the task force. A task-force member said that the congressman’s office became an important point of contact between GM and the task-force members working to save the plant.“What Paul did was whenever we asked him to try and get a hold of someone in Detroit or General Motors, he would do it,” Cullen said….

    On June 3, 2008 Ryan sent a letter to Wagoner cosigned by Feingold and Sen. Herb Kohl. In it, they asked the company to consider the importance of the plant to the town, as well as to explore bringing new product lines to the facility. “The Janesville GM plant has a continued role to play in the future success of GM and we ask that GM reconsider the decision to close the Janesville plant,” the legislators wrote…. “He was completely dedicated,” Cullen said of Ryan’s involvement in the task force. “This is his home town, and he has been the world enough to know that what happens to a town the size of Janesville when it loses a plant of this size.”…

    In September of 2008, Ryan traveled to Detroit with three Democrats—Sen. Russ Feingold, Rep. Tammy Baldwin, and Gov. Doyle—to meet directly with GM executives and ask them not to close the plant….

    At a campaign stop on Thursday, Ryan claimed that President Obama had promised to "keep the plant open" in Janesville, and laid the blame for its closure at the president’s doorstep even though Obama did not take office until after the facility had closed. Ryan, who task force members said did everything he could to keep the plant open, said that Obama’s purported words were “one more broken promise.”
    Look at the dates. Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Ryan, professional snake-oil saleman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    I have no idea how a rational person can vote for Obama after the past 4 years.
    Because stubboress is more powerful than Rationality. Obama could stand up tonite and say he hates Christians, and hopes to turn us into a Muslim nation and the same die hard democrats would still vote for him right behind a poster of george Clooney. They could care less, they dont care how bad the country is, Obama all the way!

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    C'mon Ryan, there's more than enough legitimate **** to highlight on the president that is more recent, more relevant, and more effective than this. You can do better than this bushleague crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    I have no idea how a rational person can vote for Obama after the past 4 years.
    Ummm because some people are doing quite well due to Obama's policies... Others believe his policies staved off greater finacial collapse, and some think that what he did for health care will have a long standing positive impact on the world...

    But most importantly people are different and for many Romney is diametrically opposed to their beliefs. To vote for someone who believes in a fundamentally different world than you do would be far more irrational than voting for Obama.

    I'm sick of these types of comments... The left usually does it when they say "how can a working class guy vote for conservatives... it's against their financial interest." It's so ******** to think like this for either side. This comment is like saying "If I gave you 100 dollars (in your financial interest) would you vote for someone you completely disagree with?" I don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding that people have different viewpoints. It doesn't make someone crazy if they don't think like you. It's crazy to expect them to.

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