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View Poll Results: Who would you pick going forward? Money aside

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  • Adrian Gonzalez

    30 69.77%
  • Allen Craig

    13 30.23%
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    Adrian Gonzalez or Allen Craig?

    Quote Originally Posted by VRP723 View Post
    I'd LOVE to see a thread in the comparisons forum, asking money aside, who would you rather have as a player going forwards Allen Craig or Adrian Gonzalez.

    Thread was made due to this post. Forget about money and contracts and just pick who you think is the better player going forward.

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    Forgot to add a poll. If a mod wants to put one in that would be cool.

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    I'd take Allen Craig in a heartbeat right now and I would not look back.

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    I realize I spelled his name wrong. Mock me as necessary.

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    No doubt about it Craig.
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    I'm not voting yet, because I am not sure just yet. I think Allen Craig has a better argument than people might realize though.

    Gonzalez is certainly better than Trumbo (other comparison thread). This is a better comparison to me.

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    Adrian Gonzalez.
    With the deepest of regrets I am announcing that I will be leaving Pro Sports Daily. No reason in particular but wanted to thank everyone for a great 6 years here. Lots of great discussion and good poll series as well. Also fun re-drafts. Best of luck to you all in the future.

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    Craig is seriously the most underrated hitter in all of baseball. Going forward in the near future, Votto is the only better offensive NL 1B IMO. Factoring in defense then I can see the edge going to Gonzalez.


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    The reason Allen Craig is "seriously" underrated is because he's 28 with less than 600 MLB PA's. He's rightfully underrated.

    Point being, he could potentially be better than Adrian Gonzalez, but as of now I think you're foolish to trust his SS over an established, elite player like A-Gon.

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    How about we see who does better from the moment of the A-Gone to Dodgers trade?

    And we'll see who ends up being better

    AC had another nice game today, 3 for 5 with a homer and 3 rbi's.


    Craig has a .406 wOBA, and a 161 wRC+ in 365 PA, he has the same PA as Votto this year and those are the 6th and 7th best offensive numbers thus far this year (with guys with that many PA's).




    The reason Craig only has 600 career PA in the big leagues at the age of 28 is because he was a college player, and then he battled injuries a bit. And then when he did hit, he was blocked in the big leagues by Matt Holliday and Albert Pujols, and the Cards didn't/wouldn't call him up. This is a guy that had a .921 OPS in a full season in Triple A in 2009. He clearly was ready to be called up a lot sooner than he was (late 2010).


    He is a nice hidden gem in the game of baseball.

    Also, it isn't just a short season, this is two years in a row where he has hit like this, he also did in the playoffs last year. And he did it throughout his minor league career. Never has he had a professional season below a .850 OPS.

    07 High A and AA - .909
    08 AA - .867
    09 AAA - .921
    10 AAA/MLB - .872
    11 MLB - .917
    12 MLB - .963

    A-Gone was in the majors by the age that Craig was drafted and was in his third MLB season by the time he did get drafted. So obviously he is more established. But Craig shouldn't be written off just because he only has 600 big league PA (not saying anyone is).
    Last edited by Jeffy25; 08-26-2012 at 05:12 PM.

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    How about no, because that's a 35 game sample size?

    And no **** he hit well in the minor leagues when he was 2 or 3 years older than everyone he played with. So does Scott Van Slyke.

    And no one is writing him off. I'm saying it's 600 PA's. Regardless of how good a player is, 600 PA's over two seasons is never enough to make a definitive judgement call.
    Last edited by VRP723; 08-26-2012 at 05:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VRP723 View Post
    How about no, because that's a 35 game sample size?
    I was asking for the rest of their careers, not just this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guppyfighter View Post
    Yes, I would take Todd Frazier over Pujols. Pujols is in his decline and Frazier is just entering his prime.
    Ok, well this guy's opinion is thrown out lol

    Quote Originally Posted by d79cheese View Post
    Hell you could probably make an argument that possibly by next year AD won't even be the best offensive 1B in the NL West.

    Paul Goldschmidt is currently at a .376 wOBA and wRC+ of 132 (and this is with an abysmal April where he shared time with Overbay). Obviously he doesn't have the PA's as Gonzalez, but he's walking about 10% for the second straight year and has drastically cut down his K% since his first year (29 to 23). Think it's safe to say he will have more power then AD going forward, and if he continues to show patience and keeps trimming down the K numbers he will be a monster (not to mention he is going to steal 10 bases a year as well). Not going on record that he is better then AD right now, but let's not keep assuming the AD is still a top 5 1B in the entire league (offensively at least)
    No way. Goldschmidt can't hit RHP well enough to be an elite 1B, eventually he'll be managed around. Not saying he won't be a good player, but he won't be a top 1B anytime soon, I'd think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I was asking for the rest of their careers, not just this season.
    Then sure.

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