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    Bumgarner vs Sale

    I know there was already a Bumgarner/Moore thread that seemed pretty lopsided ATM. I feel this is a better comparison to have at the moment since both are extremely young and already incredibly successful. Who would you rather have going forward?


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    Sale is a big of a risk but has a huge upside, I'd take the sure thing though with Bum.

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    Sale might be more of an injury risk, but guy is nasty.

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    Bumgarner has the much better resume as he's pitched almost 500 innings. Sale has a little bit better k/9 rate but Bumgarner has better control. Bumgarner also seems more durable.

    I'd take Bumgarner.

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    Yeah, right now I'd take Bum because of his track record. He pitched great in the post season too! Sale looks like he has better strikeout stuff tho.

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    If Sale repeats this next year and he stays healthy you take him, since his numbers are just better. Health is the big question with him.

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    Sale for sure. He pitches in the AL and does it extremely well even in a pretty hitting friendly ballpark. AT&T park is spacious, and the NL is not as potent offensively.

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    Who's Older?

    I'll take the guy that's 2-0 with a 0.00 ERA going 15 IP against the powerful Rangers & Tigers lineups in the world series...


    Bumgarner is probably, no, scratch that, he IS the BEST young pitcher in the game under 24 years of age.

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    LMAO at "track record" and "did it in the playoffs."

    A couple of games mean very little in judging a player. This is a game of huge sample sizes and long-term success. A couple of games in the playoffs is nice, and it's an accomplishment, but it says nothing as to who is better.

    Long-term the answer is obvious. If he's healthy, it is Sale hands down. He just has much better stuff, probably the best lefty stuff in baseball along with Kershaw. He also has extremely good command.

    So far he's been healthy, but health will be the concern. As a pitcher, though, as great as Bum is, Sale is the best young lefty in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade>Kobe View Post
    LMAO at "track record" and "did it in the playoffs."

    A couple of games mean very little in judging a player. This is a game of huge sample sizes and long-term success. A couple of games in the playoffs is nice, and it's an accomplishment, but it says nothing as to who is better.

    Long-term the answer is obvious. If he's healthy, it is Sale hands down. He just has much better stuff, probably the best lefty stuff in baseball along with Kershaw. He also has extremely good command.

    So far he's been healthy, but health will be the concern. As a pitcher, though, as great as Bum is, Sale is the best young lefty in the game.
    This sounds hypocritical. You say correct judgment involves long term success and that Sale is the obvious choice if healthy, yet Bumgarner has had more long term success.

    Sale may have had a better year, but this is his first year starting. Bumgarner was better than Sale his first year in the league and has been proven durable especially through the playoffs something Sale has yet to prove.

    Both of these guys are very good and very young. I don't think anyone can say definitively who'll be better but I'd rather have the guy who's more proven. Sale hasn't even had a 200 inning yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantspwn View Post
    This sounds hypocritical. You say correct judgment involves long term success and that Sale is the obvious choice if healthy, yet Bumgarner has had more long term success.
    It doesn't sound hypocritical at all. Both have been pitching more than a couple of games. Thus, their full resumes are the best standard... not a couple of games. That's what I said. Making a decision based off of a couple of games is nonsense. That's what I said.

    Sale may have had a better year, but this is his first year starting. Bumgarner was better than Sale his first year in the league and has been proven durable especially through the playoffs something Sale has yet to prove.
    Bumgarner was not better than Sale his first full year as a starter. Their park and league adjusted numbers are nearly identical, -xFIP is almost the same and Sale's -ERA is actually much better than Bumgarner's first year, despite Bumgarner's raw ERA being better.

    Sale hasn't proven a problem with his health easier. It seems logical to not punish or reward either for "durability."

    Both of these guys are very good and very young. I don't think anyone can say definitively who'll be better but I'd rather have the guy who's more proven. Sale hasn't even had a 200 inning yet.
    (1) He's pitched one season. How are you going to say "he hasn't even done [x]
    yet" when he's only had one season to do it?

    (2) That is nonsense in and of itself. That is an arbitrary endpoint. What difference is 8 innings? It is one start, which at best could account for one whole win for the team. Arbitrary endpoints ruin sports.

    Let's be honest. At the end of the day you're not picking Bum for any of the reasons you say. You're picking him because you're a Giants fan. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade>Kobe View Post
    It doesn't sound hypocritical at all. Both have been pitching more than a couple of games. Thus, their full resumes are the best standard... not a couple of games. That's what I said. Making a decision based off of a couple of games is nonsense. That's what I said.



    Bumgarner was not better than Sale his first full year as a starter. Their park and league adjusted numbers are nearly identical, -xFIP is almost the same and Sale's -ERA is actually much better than Bumgarner's first year, despite Bumgarner's raw ERA being better.

    Sale hasn't proven a problem with his health easier. It seems logical to not punish or reward either for "durability."



    (1) He's pitched one season. How are you going to say "he hasn't even done [x]
    yet" when he's only had one season to do it?

    (2) That is nonsense in and of itself. That is an arbitrary endpoint. What difference is 8 innings? It is one start, which at best could account for one whole win for the team. Arbitrary endpoints ruin sports.

    Let's be honest. At the end of the day you're not picking Bum for any of the reasons you say. You're picking him because you're a Giants fan. That is all.
    Dude, I'm not even picking Bumgarner outright, I'm just saying if I had to choose, I'd go with Bumgarner because he's been a starter 3 years in the league with a much more established resume. How many first year starters converted from reliever have one good year and then flame out. Your the one saying this is an easy choice.

    Bumgarner first year: xFIP 3.10/ 5.3 WAR
    Sale first year: xFIP 3.24 /4.9 WAR

    Nearly identical, but Bumgarner was still slightly better. Even if you find a way to justify Sale as being better, how are you able to determine this as an easy choice from your previous post?

    Bumgarner has thrown over 500 innings as a starter + postseason starts. He's been proven durable. Sale just has one year (192 innings). Usually around the 200 inning mark, a pitcher's durability is questioned. Once Sale hit 160 innings this year, his numbers started taking a hit.

    All I'm saying is lets see him have another good year before crowning him a saint.

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