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  1. #796
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagles4Lyfe View Post
    I'm the same bro I expect so much out of every Toronto team and was ecstatic when we got BC, but ever since then it's been down hill.

    It sucks
    How has it been downhill ever since we got BC? We won more games ever in the 1st season with him. In the 1st year post-Bosh we had a pretty **** team. The last two years have been a definitely improvement. I don't understand the "down hill" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    How has it been downhill ever since we got BC? We won more games ever in the 1st season with him. In the 1st year post-Bosh we had a pretty **** team. The last two years have been a definitely improvement. I don't understand the "down hill" thing.
    Never had a good consistant coach or staff.
    Signing players out of desperation but he's made up for it with good trades.

    But he's never built the team by drafting and letting the team grow together, he's also tried quick fixes and solutions, which haven't worked.

    Now he drafts a guy who doesn't get minutes and doesn't do much when were getting screwed out of calls left right and center.

    As the GM he has to take initiative and do something about it.

    He's to hard headed to trade Bargs or send him to the bench, to keep Calderon around on the team to. This is the perfect year for him to get rid of Calderon and let our young guys grow together, instead he's ruining the growth of potential future solid role players.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagles4Lyfe View Post
    Never had a good consistant coach or staff.
    Signing players out of desperation but he's made up for it with good trades.

    But he's never built the team by drafting and letting the team grow together, he's also tried quick fixes and solutions, which haven't worked.

    Now he drafts a guy who doesn't get minutes and doesn't do much when were getting screwed out of calls left right and center.

    As the GM he has to take initiative and do something about it.

    He's to hard headed to trade Bargs or send him to the bench, to keep Calderon around on the team to. This is the perfect year for him to get rid of Calderon and let our young guys grow together, instead he's ruining the growth of potential future solid role players.
    Well you don't know what offers he's getting in exchange for calderon and andrea... They do have a very strong stereotype of no defense about them so i can't imagine their trade value being too high... His drafts pciks have been pretty decent too for the most part... And also, Toronto's never had too many free agents want to play here... Ariza flat out declined us in 09... So he's had to deal with a lot of restrictions...

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    We need to blow this team up.

    We can definately get some great young pieces for DeRo, Bargs, and Lowry. I think this franchise can absolutely sell a full blown rebuild attempt, especially with Andrew Wiggins on the horizon.

    I could even see a scenario where OKC would want Lowry for our pick back. The West is insanely tough, and Lowry on OKC makes them a ****ing amazing team.

    I'm just so sick of being pissed off with this team 5 games into every god damn season. BC needs to GTFO. We need to blow this entire organization up.

    We have two fantastic pieces to start with (Val, Ross), and 3 pieces that could definately net us some young talent (Lowry, DeRozan, Bargnani).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRozan10 View Post
    We need to blow this team up.

    We can definately get some great young pieces for DeRo, Bargs, and Lowry. I think this franchise can absolutely sell a full blown rebuild attempt, especially with Andrew Wiggins on the horizon.

    I could even see a scenario where OKC would want Lowry for our pick back. The West is insanely tough, and Lowry on OKC makes them a ****ing amazing team.

    I'm just so sick of being pissed off with this team 5 games into every god damn season. BC needs to GTFO. We need to blow this entire organization up.

    We have two fantastic pieces to start with (Val, Ross), and 3 pieces that could definately net us some young talent (Lowry, DeRozan, Bargnani).
    Your ****ing dreaming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    How has it been downhill ever since we got BC? We won more games ever in the 1st season with him. In the 1st year post-Bosh we had a pretty **** team. The last two years have been a definitely improvement. I don't understand the "down hill" thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagles4Lyfe View Post
    Never had a good consistant coach or staff.
    Signing players out of desperation but he's made up for it with good trades.

    But he's never built the team by drafting and letting the team grow together, he's also tried quick fixes and solutions, which haven't worked.

    Now he drafts a guy who doesn't get minutes and doesn't do much when were getting screwed out of calls left right and center.

    As the GM he has to take initiative and do something about it.

    He's to hard headed to trade Bargs or send him to the bench, to keep Calderon around on the team to. This is the perfect year for him to get rid of Calderon and let our young guys grow together, instead he's ruining the growth of potential future solid role players.
    What makes you think he is too hard-headed to trade those guys? Have you forgotten that he has traded Jose before? Also speaking about Bargs, BC keeps drafting PFs, that tells me he knows that at some point he might have to trade the guy.

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    To be fair bob when he drafted ED, Ed was the BPA so he had to which is a strategy you never go against in drafts.
    Amir he traded for to have as a backup but we use Amir at C to so the flexibility there is why he probably wouldn't trade Bargs.

    n CB during his tenure we've drafted in the top 10 like 3 or 4 times IIRC and the one year he traded our pick it ended up being costly (Hibbert)...
    Bargs, Dero, Vally, Ross, then Ed with the 12th(??) pick. He's taken guys that after developing will be studs, therefore to accomodate those players he should've been patient and rebuilt properly but he rushed it and ruined Bargs (yes he did), Dero's and so far Ross's developement. If he was patient right now Derozan might've been at an all star level and Bargs might've been more consistant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamiecballer View Post
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    yikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeRozan10 View Post
    We need to blow this team up.

    We can definately get some great young pieces for DeRo, Bargs, and Lowry. I think this franchise can absolutely sell a full blown rebuild attempt, especially with Andrew Wiggins on the horizon.

    I could even see a scenario where OKC would want Lowry for our pick back. The West is insanely tough, and Lowry on OKC makes them a ****ing amazing team.

    I'm just so sick of being pissed off with this team 5 games into every god damn season. BC needs to GTFO. We need to blow this entire organization up.

    We have two fantastic pieces to start with (Val, Ross), and 3 pieces that could definately net us some young talent (Lowry, DeRozan, Bargnani).
    derozan is young talent himself dude is only two years older than me! and he gets better every year
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    The only move I really didn't like was trading away Roy Hibbert, TJ Ford and Rasho Nestorovic for the 30 year old Jermaine O'Neal during the 2008 draft.

    We had a 23 year old bosh and a 22 year old Bargnani during the 2008 draft. I realize Bargs was a #1 overall pick, but we could have used him as a 3rd big and he would have thrived if still given around 30 mpg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagles4Lyfe View Post
    To be fair bob when he drafted ED, Ed was the BPA so he had to which is a strategy you never go against in drafts.
    Amir he traded for to have as a backup but we use Amir at C to so the flexibility there is why he probably wouldn't trade Bargs.

    n CB during his tenure we've drafted in the top 10 like 3 or 4 times IIRC and the one year he traded our pick it ended up being costly (Hibbert)...
    Bargs, Dero, Vally, Ross, then Ed with the 12th(??) pick. He's taken guys that after developing will be studs, therefore to accomodate those players he should've been patient and rebuilt properly but he rushed it and ruined Bargs (yes he did), Dero's and so far Ross's developement. If he was patient right now Derozan might've been at an all star level and Bargs might've been more consistant.
    How has he ruined Demar, Ross and Bargs? I also don't understand how Ross can be put in with the other two. They at least got consistent minutes in their rookie season (which I think is the right way to develop them). How do you think they should have developed these players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    The only move I really didn't like was trading away Roy Hibbert, TJ Ford and Rasho Nestorovic for the 30 year old Jermaine O'Neal during the 2008 draft.

    We had a 23 year old bosh and a 22 year old Bargnani during the 2008 draft. I realize Bargs was a #1 overall pick, but we could have used him as a 3rd big and he would have thrived if still given around 30 mpg.
    Which is how they tried to use Bargs with Bosh and JO. Your complaint doesn't work because that is how they coached the team. BUT I do agree, I was against the trade at the time, nothing against JO but I felt we were using all our assets in one trade and I didn't like that. Also I felt by getting JO we were limiting Bargs and his trade value. I liked that BC was willing to take the risk but I didn't like that he put all his eggs in one basket. I wanted to trade TJ (or Jose) to get a player that would help the team and trade Rasho at the trade deadline when his expiring contract had trade value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_at_york View Post
    How has he ruined Demar, Ross and Bargs? I also don't understand how Ross can be put in with the other two. They at least got consistent minutes in their rookie season (which I think is the right way to develop them). How do you think they should have developed these players?
    ya i don't believe it's reasonable to say he ruined Ross. he drafted him, i don't think he's been stapled to the bench at Colangelo's orders. or Derozan.

    definitely agree on Bargnani though.
    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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