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    The Truth About Carmelo Anthony

    Let me preface this by saying that I root for Melo to succeed each and every game and am a die-hard Knicks fan, regardless of how much I disagree with the moves they make. But I've noticed that it's basically taboo to say anything negative about Carmelo on this forum. It's either praise Melo, or you are a stupid, idiotic fan that should switch over to the Nets on here.

    Carmelo has a fantastic skillset. He is probably a top 5 TALENT in the NBA. However, he has a ton of flaws, which is what those who criticize Melo see very clearly and those who don't criticize Melo refuse to see.

    On the offensive end:

    Carmelo ranks as one of the more inefficient volume scorers in the NBA. You look at the top scorers in the league, and Melo's efficiency just doesn't stack up.

    Carmelo Anthony: 22.6 PPG | 52.5 TS% | 33.5% 3P% | 5.4-6.7 FTM-FTA | 3.7 OWS | 106 ORTG | 21.1 PER

    Kevin Durant: 28.0 PPG | 61% TS% | 38.7% 3P% | 6.5-7.6 FTM-FTA | 8.5 OWS | 114 ORTG | 26.2 PER

    LeBron James: 27.1 PPG | 60.5% TS% | 36.2% 3P% | 6.2-8.1 FTM-FTA | 10 OWS | 118 ORTG | 30.7 PER

    Kevin Love: 26.0 PPG | 56.8% TS% | 37.2% 3P% | 6.90-8.4 FTM-FTA | 7.6 OWS | 117 ORTG | 25.4 PER

    Russell Westbrook: 23.6 PPG | 53.8 TS% | 31.6% 3P% | 5.2-6.3 FTM-FTA | 5.5 OWS | 108 ORTG | 22.9 PER

    Dirk Nowitzki: 21.6 PPG | 56.4 TS% | 36.8% 3P% | 5.1-5.7 FTM-FTA | 5.0 OWS | 110 ORTG | 21.7 PER

    Chris Paul: 19.8 PPG | 58.1% TS% | 37.1% 3P% | 4.3-5.0 FTM-FTA | 10.4 OWS | 126 ORTG | 27 PER

    Paul Pierce: 19.4 PPG | 56.7% TS% | 36.6% 3P% | 4.8-5.6 FTM-FTA | 3.3 OWS | 106 ORTG | 19.6 PER

    Blake Griffin: 20.7 PPG | 55.7% TS% | 3.7-7.1 FTM-FTA | 6.6 OWS | 23.4 PER

    Now, before you say that I chose to show these statistics in Melo's worst year in recent memory, his efficient has always been a downfall to his game.

    2010-2011 Melo: 25.6 PPG | 55.7% TS% | 37.8% 3P% | 6.6-7.9 FTM-FTA | 5.4 OWS | 109 ORTG | 21.7 PER

    2009-2010 Melo: 26.6 PPG | 54.8% TS% | 31.6% 3P% | 7.4-8.9 FTM-FTA | 5.6 OWS | 110 ORTG | 22.2 PER

    The things that stand out to me are the OWS, ORTG, TS%, and PER. He's considerably worse than Paul, KD and LeBron when it comes to OWS, TS%, ORTG, and OWS. Even Pierce, in his one of his more inefficient seasons, surpasses Melo in terms of efficiency. Melo just doesn't take high percentage shots. I love it when he drives. He is great when he's going to the hoop. He's 3.5-6.8 per game at the rim, which is great, but he doesn't do it enough. You see that guys like KD, Love, LeBron, Rose, Westbrook, and even John Wall take more shots at the rim than Melo. He just needs to do that more instead of settle for jumpshots. From 16-23 feet, Melo takes 5.6 shots per game, but makes a putrid 1.9 of those. That's 35%, which is the worst among players who take at least 5 of those shots per game. It's just not a high percentage shot. I understand his midrange game opens up his driving game, but the chances of that shot going in aren't as high as say a 10-15 foot jumper or a drive. He needs to drive more, get his teammates involved more, and instead of settling for these long twos, he needs to take more threes, which is a much much more efficient shot than a long two.

    Another problem is, that the team is not that much better with Carmelo on the floor on the offensive end. That's evident by his ORTG. Per 100 possessions, the team doesn't isn't as great as LeBron, Wade, CP3, KD, and Love are. This is even evident in his +/- numbers this year. The team is a 1 point better when he's off the court. Think about that! The squad performs a full point better when Carmelo Anthony, a supposed top 10 player, is off the floor. You never see that in superstars, or even stars. He should be making his teammates better, but he fails to do so and it's evident with these stats.

    Melo goes iso 35.4 percent of the time, according to synergy. Now, he goes iso well, ranking 59th in the league, with .84 Points Per Possession on those plays. However, going iso that often just isn't team basketball. When a player goes iso that long, the offense stagnates, and there's no rhythm or flow. We saw Melo at his best last year with Billups when he was spotting up from deep and hitting threes at a crazy rate. He was unguardable when he's hitting threes, because it opens up his penetration game and he's good at finding cutters. He just needs to play in the flow of the offense more. Too often do we see our PG just dump it off to Melo while the 4 other players watch him go to work.

    As for the defensive end, he's definitely improved, but he's nowhere near above average. He's still ranked 240th defensively according to synergy, giving up 0.86 Points Per Possession. His problem lies with spot up shooters. He tends to get lazy and leaves shooters too open, which is why he ranks 344th in the league defending spot-ups, giving up 1.13 PPP, and giving up a 44.4% Score rate. His isolation defense is very good, and his post up defense is fantastic. It seems like an effort issue on that end, more than anything. He has the skillset, and he's shown he can play some very good defense.

    Again, this is a thread I created just to spread knowledge, not to hate on the guy. I root for him day in and day out.

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    Please don't merge this. When I post these stats in threads, they go unnoticed while the stupid, baiting posts get responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roshan3ai View Post
    Please don't merge this. When I post these stats in threads, they go unnoticed while the stupid, baiting posts get responses.
    Thanks for the analysis roshan3ai.

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    Great thread Rosh.
    Let's see if it stays like that.
    Last edited by 29$JerZ; 08-06-2012 at 06:30 PM.

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    Thanks JerZ, hopefully it does

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    Taboo to say something bad about Carmelo?

    I thought it was taboo, to say something good about him... That's why y'all rarley see me comment on threads that hafta do with him.

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    I guess if these stats prove that by certain criteria he is 10th in offensive talent in the NBA, then, ok. I'll take tenth.

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    I'm not a guy who lives and dies by the numbers, specially stats that go this deep. Here's what I know, Melo is one of if not the best offensive player in the game. He's a good rebounder and his defense has improved. Most importantly of all he's the most clutch player in the game. He's what 2 game winning shots behind Kobe and Kobe basically has double the amount of shot attempts.

    The truth about Melo is he's the best player we've had since Ewing and just like Ewing he constantly gets criticized. Media always twist **** and they make him to look out like a bad guy and people buy into it just like Ewing. When will you guys realize all the media hates Dolan, and he deserves it but his employees do not.

    If anything it's Stat that deserves a lot of the criticism, not Melo yet Melo is always the target.

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    The truth about Melo is either you love him or hate him no inbetween. Sorry for the haters Melo fixing to shut everyone up...
    Knicks and 49ers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Knicks View Post
    The truth about Melo is either you love him or hate him no inbetween. Sorry for the haters Melo fixing to shut everyone up...
    Not true. I'm right in the middle. Don't love him, don't hate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Knicks View Post
    The truth about Melo is either you love him or hate him no inbetween. Sorry for the haters Melo fixing to shut everyone up...
    I think the view you have and share with others, is the problem. What you said is far from the truth.

    I think that most people are in the middle about Melo. I love the guys game. I love his potential. I see glimpses of an amazing player.
    Then I see moments of pouting, giving up, not hustling and chucking. That becomes frustrating.

    When someone even insinuates criticism, It's considered hate. In many people's eyes, there is no possibility for liking and rooting for a guy while at the same time, wanting him to work to his potential. You're called a hater.

    Truth is, the people that see Melo objectively see a player who can improve and become an even more dynamic player on both ends of the court. We see the possibility for growth. With our view, the sky's the limit for him.
    Melo lovers don't think he can or needs to improve, there love is so blind that they don't want him to change a thing.

    He will always be just as he is, limited, like the viewpoint.
    To never need to get better is a pretty stiff sentence for someone you love.
    (and be careful with your response. If you say he can get better that means you're a hater)
    I know there are real haters of him. And they are as biased as the lovers but please don't lump the vast majority of us in with one of two sides on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinkotheclown View Post
    I think the view you have and share with others, is the problem. What you said is far from the truth.

    I think that most people are in the middle about Melo. I love the guys game. I love his potential. I see glimpses of an amazing player.
    Then I see moments of pouting, giving up, not hustling and chucking. That becomes frustrating.

    When someone even insinuates criticism, It's considered hate. In many people's eyes, there is no possibility for liking and rooting for a guy while at the same time, wanting him to work to his potential. You're called a hater.

    Truth is, the people that see Melo objectively see a player who can improve and become an even more dynamic player on both ends of the court. We see the possibility for growth. With our view, the sky's the limit for him.
    Melo lovers don't think he can or needs to improve, there love is so blind that they don't want him to change a thing.


    He will always be just as he is, limited, like the viewpoint.
    To never need to get better is a pretty stiff sentence for someone you love.
    (and be careful with your response. If you say he can get better that means you're a hater)
    I know there are real haters of him. And they are as biased as the lovers but please don't lump the vast majority of us in with one of two sides on this
    This and only this.

    There are the guys here who feel he can do no right. The Kash's of the crowd.

    Guys here that note his greatness, also note his flaws, and want him to rid of those flaws to be a true 20M dollar max player and championship level star.

    And guys here who feel he is a 20M dollar max player championship level star and the only thing holding him back is his coaches, teammates, and playing better teams.

    Some want him to get better, some just continuously make excuses as to why hes not better. Yea I'm looking at you Punk.
    The value of elite scoring ability, by Phil Jackson:

    "This is a guy, we recognize his talent, and his skill is the kind of skill and talent that gets you through playoff games where things get sticky, grind-out, and basketball becomes a force game and suddenly you need to have a player who has the capabilities of scoring with someone hanging on them in a situation thatís critical. Heís one of those players, one of the few players who can do that.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    This and only this.

    There are the guys here who feel he can do no right. The Kash's of the crowd.

    Guys here that note his greatness, also note his flaws, and want him to rid of those flaws to be a true 20M dollar max player and championship level star.

    And guys here who feel he is a 20M dollar max player championship level star and the only thing holding him back is his coaches, teammates, and playing better teams.

    Some want him to get better, some just continuously make excuses as to why hes not better. Yea I'm looking at you Punk.
    You know, some people might have forgotten this but Paul Pierce went through many tough years also before they got their big 3 together. There is no other way to explain it but Melo needs Stat and I know they can work together because we have seen it....guess all we can do now is just wait and see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezy View Post
    You know, some people might have forgotten this but Paul Pierce went through many tough years also before they got their big 3 together. There is no other way to explain it but Melo needs Stat and I know they can work together because we have seen it....guess all we can do now is just wait and see.
    I critique Melo but never shut the door on him 'figuring it out' and becoming the top 5, top 3 player he has the ability to be.

    Paul Pierce is a reason why I refuse to shut the door, some just take longer to figure it out. Melo is young enough to do it, and his game seems to have longevity to it where he can play at a very high level into his 30s like Kobe, Pierce etc...

    Guys who operate in the mid range and mid post have tendency to have very long careers.
    The value of elite scoring ability, by Phil Jackson:

    "This is a guy, we recognize his talent, and his skill is the kind of skill and talent that gets you through playoff games where things get sticky, grind-out, and basketball becomes a force game and suddenly you need to have a player who has the capabilities of scoring with someone hanging on them in a situation thatís critical. Heís one of those players, one of the few players who can do that.Ē

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    What I wrote out shows why he's not one of the best offensive players in the game. He's a top offensive talent, a great rebounder for a SF, and a clutch player. But there are a good number of deficiencies in his game

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