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    NCAA Considering Death Penalty For Penn State Football

    While the NCAA has said it's going to need some time to sort out the information from the Freeh Report, which revealed Penn State's knowledge of the child sexual abuse by former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, NCAA president Mark Emmert seems to be leaning toward potentially bringing down the hammer on the university and potentially issuing the NCAA's dreaded "death penalty" if he can prove there were football-related violations.

    In a PBS interview with host Tavis Smiley, Emmert acknowledged that he had "never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of just overall conduct and behavior inside a university and hope to never see it again." Emmert's words harkened a possible NCAA death penalty, which has only been handed down once in football - SMU in 1986. SMU was banned from competition in 1987 and home games in 1988 (it missed the entire season) and postseason in 1989. It wasn't allowed to be on live television, its recruiting was crippled and its coaching staff was cut. It took SMU more than a decade to get back to winning seasons and because of that, it's a sanction the NCAA doesn't hand out lightly.

    But the fact that Penn State knowingly hid Sandusky's actions for more than a decade gives Emmert pause, but he's not quite ready to break the NCAA's unwritten rule of not stepping in to deal with criminal cases. However, he also recognizes this is a unique situation and requires a thorough examination of the facts and whether Penn State's misdeeds are enough to warrant the NCAA's definition of lack of institutional control.

    "This is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal like [what] happened at SMU, or anything else we've dealt with," Emmert told Smiley. "This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem. There have been people that said this wasn't a football scandal.

    "Well, it was more than a football scandal, much more than a football scandal. It was that but much more. And we'll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are. I don't know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case, because it's really an unprecedented problem."

    There's got to be a part of the NCAA that's waiting for Penn State to make the first move and let it off the hook. Many have suggested the school voluntarily suspend the football program for a requisite amount of years or impose other sanctions. However, Penn State hasn't been quick to take any action in light of this scandal as evidenced with its hesitancy to remove the statue of famed coach Joe Paterno, who was implicated in the cover-up. The only party that seems willing to try and erase Penn State's shady past are the students, who renamed "Paternoville," the group that "manages the encampment of Penn State students outside Beaver Stadium for home football games," to "Nittanyville."

    The Department of Education also is weighing in on possible sanctions for Penn State's violation of the Clery Act, which requires federally funded universities to publicly report all criminal activity on or around campus.

    The NCAA decision isn't something that's going to be swift and probably not something that will be handed down prior to the 2012 season, which begins in about six weeks. But it will be interesting to see which party makes the first move - the NCAA or Penn State.
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    Is it safe to say that if the NCAA doesn't hand down the death penalty here that it will never happen again?


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    I understand the premise if this should happen. Football and a program/school's reputation shouldn't be above protecting children from a sexual predator. I think there needs to be some form punishment, even though it hurts athletes who weren't involved at all. But, the death penalty feels excessive to me.

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    Why should these players have to be punished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iam brett favre View Post
    Why should these players have to be punished?
    If a death penalty is handed down then the players will be able to immediately transfer to another school without any restrictions or stay at the school on scholarship. The players will be able to do anything but play for Penn State.

    Also going by your statement then schools should never be punished.... Because it is always gonna come back to hurt the players. In that case how is the NCAA to enforce any rules?


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    TBH, the most interesting part of a potential death penalty for Penn St would be what does the Big 10 do? It completely ****s up the scheduling for the rest of the conference if Penn St isn't on the field next season or longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    If a death penalty is handed down then the players will be able to immediately transfer to another school without any restrictions or stay at the school on scholarship. The players will be able to do anything but play for Penn State.

    Also going by your statement then schools should never be punished.... Because it is always gonna come back to hurt the players. In that case how is the NCAA to enforce any rules?
    And that makes it so easy and smooth for every player? Kids did factor in location, academics, their teammates, the school atmosphere and a ton more else, not just football. It is punishing the players if you're giving them 2 options, leave PSU or don't play. They CHOSE to be a Nittany Lion. Some of these kids weren't even born when this was happening, yet they are still being punished. I think the death penalty is too excessive and isn't what it stands for, given this situation. I've stated how I felt about the DP in thread in the general discussion forum.

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    The current Staff and Players should not have to pay the price for past crimes. Won't happen IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganSports View Post
    The current Staff and Players should not have to pay the price for past crimes. Won't happen IMO.
    That isn't how the NCAA operates though. The current players at USC had no connection to Reggie Bush but they still came down hard on the school.

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    ^totally different infractions though. One has nothing to do with football, while the other had everything to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganSports View Post
    ^totally different infractions though. One has nothing to do with football, while the other had everything to do with it.
    I'll try to find the article I read, but basically it said that the NCAA won't give PSU the death penalty (or any other punishment) for just Sandusky. The article said they were investigating the extent to which the football program had superseded the school including giving preferential treatment to players in disciplinary matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganSports View Post
    ^totally different infractions though. One has nothing to do with football, while the other had everything to do with it.
    So you are saying what happened at Penn State had nothing to do with football?

    (1) Football coach luring children onto campus and then sexually molesting them....

    (2) Other football staff including the head coach know about these events and do nothing....

    (3) Administrators in the athletic department know about these events and do nothing....

    (4) All the parties involved cover up these events to avoid any legal, financial, academic and athletic violations....

    Quote Originally Posted by BCB mwat15 View Post
    That isn't how the NCAA operates though. The current players at USC had no connection to Reggie Bush but they still came down hard on the school.
    Exactly. How many penalties have happened to programs where the the guilty coaches and players were long gone....

    Quote Originally Posted by MichiganSports View Post
    The current Staff and Players should not have to pay the price for past crimes. Won't happen IMO.
    As mentioned above it happens every year when penalties are handed out to programs where all the guilty parties have graduated or moved on to other jobs.

    It doesn't matter if you think it is fair it is how the NCAA has operated for decades.

    Was it fair for Tennessee football to have all kinds of restrictions for recruiting after Lane Kiffin had already left for USC and nearly all those players transfer from the program?

    Was it fair for USC to get hit hard with all those penalties after Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll had both already left for huge contracts in the NFL? They got rich and the rest of the program got screwed....

    How many of the players on those punished rosters at Ohio State were involved in the actions that got them into trouble?

    How about Memphis basketball that got major violations while John Calipari had already moved on to a better job at Kentucky and Derrick Rose was making millions in the NBA?


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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    So you are saying what happened at Penn State had nothing to do with football?

    (1) Football coach luring children onto campus and then sexually molesting them....

    (2) Other football staff including the head coach know about these events and do nothing....

    (3) Administrators in the athletic department know about these events and do nothing....

    (4) All the parties involved cover up these events to avoid any legal, financial, academic and athletic violations....
    All of the "parties" involved in this have been dealt with. Also, notice how none of those had ANYTHING to do with on-field players or performance.



    Exactly. How many penalties have happened to programs where the the guilty coaches and players were long gone....
    Again, that, and the other ones you are referring to, had to do with PLAYERS who PLAYED the game. Not coaches/administrators/university staff who covered up a scandal that had nothing to do with the players.



    As mentioned above it happens every year when penalties are handed out to programs where all the guilty parties have graduated or moved on to other jobs.

    It doesn't matter if you think it is fair it is how the NCAA has operated for decades.

    Was it fair for Tennessee football to have all kinds of restrictions for recruiting after Lane Kiffin had already left for USC and nearly all those players transfer from the program?

    Was it fair for USC to get hit hard with all those penalties after Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll had both already left for huge contracts in the NFL? They got rich and the rest of the program got screwed....

    How many of the players on those punished rosters at Ohio State were involved in the actions that got them into trouble?

    How about Memphis basketball that got major violations while John Calipari had already moved on to a better job at Kentucky and Derrick Rose was making millions in the NBA?
    The common theme here, that you are not understanding is that all of those scandals you're referring to included PLAYERS on the roster. Name me ONE SINGLE player that was involved from PSU in the Sandusky scandal? You cannot do that. That is the difference. As I've said before, Paterno, Sandusky, Curley, Schultz, Spanier are all now removed from the school, are dead, on trial, awaiting trial and/or going to be sentenced. Not to mention, that again, it was a scandal that did not include anything on the field. The players WERE NOT involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada26 View Post
    And that makes it so easy and smooth for every player? Kids did factor in location, academics, their teammates, the school atmosphere and a ton more else, not just football. It is punishing the players if you're giving them 2 options, leave PSU or don't play. They CHOSE to be a Nittany Lion. Some of these kids weren't even born when this was happening, yet they are still being punished. I think the death penalty is too excessive and isn't what it stands for, given this situation. I've stated how I felt about the DP in thread in the general discussion forum.
    life's not fair and all things are usually not equal. go ask enron or worldcom employees how they felt about their companies being shut down and losing their jobs because directors and officers of their companies were criminally defrauding shareholders and the market.

    and, yes, i completely understand the ramifications of such a punishment, specifically the financial ramifications (PSU football brings in millions of dollars annually for the university's education dept.). however, and the NCAA is always big on "lack of institutional control," is there a more egregious incident showing a lack of institutional control than the head coach, the AD, the univ. president, provost and several other assistants and people affiliated with both the football team and the school not only turning a blind eye to criminal activity but also enacting several steps to cover it up from the authorities?!?! if this is not lack of institutional control, i have no idea what is.

    imo, PSU football needs a 5-year ban. programs need to understand that their adored-by-fanatics sports teams are not above the law, especially when it comes to something as heinous as molesting children repeatedly for decades, and then intentionally failing to act.

    i get that you have this deep-rooted affection for JoePa and who he was as a coach, but part of who he was as a coach was a leader and ambassador to the school. in that regard, he ABSOLUTELY failed the program, the university and the several victims abused by sandusky.
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