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    They tried add Weber because you always look to improve as a whole. The trigger wasnt pulled because the price was too high or after speaking to Weber and finding out he had no interest in signing there.

    You never said Kreider is absolutely right, but when its been out there that Nashville wanted Couturier as part of the deal, that absolutely says Kreider is who they wanted.

    I don't know anyone who said they didn't want him if he was a UFA and everyone knows what he brings to the table, everyone has said he does not improve our weakest area which is goal scoring, like adding a top end forward.

    Joe Sakic's offer raised the bar for top players if thats what your trying to say. Thats not how offer sheets came to be as stated in your previous statement. The Rangers continued to buy players even after the lock out. Brad Richards was the highest paid salary last season and thats a guy that really wanted to come here. So did it change that no, they just found new ways to do it. They took the idea of Rickety D's contract length (same salary structure through the whole contract) and added it to the idea of aging players making less as the contract goes on. An example would be Redden's contract (8 million for 2 years, 6.5 for 2 and 5 for 2). They combined the 2 contracts and got all the rediculous contracts that are out there now. I dont recall who was the first at that time but not Rickety.

    MDZ, again your comparing his sophmore slump. He didnt all of a sudden acquire skills he didnt have, he got smarter, realized its not juniors where he can just throw stretch passes and swing his stick. He was a first round pick for a reason, he was projected at 15th at end of season and 14th at midterm. So I still don't agree time in the AHL developed him overnight (6 to 8 months), because he already proved he had the offensive skill the season before. Again, the projection of our forward prospects are not what the projection of MDZ was.

    So if the Rangers were more in line thinking, then why have they been in on and continue to be in on Nash. Obviously the cost at the time was to high so they felt that while adding Weber would improve their number 1 spot on D but weakened the team in a whole that it was not worth pulling the trigger.

    Bottom line is Weber makes alot more sense for Philly then the Rangers. Phillys D is not as good as the Rangers. IF the Rangers had the type of skill up front that the Flyers have and the lack of D then Id be all for Weber. Notice how the Flyers were interested in Nash, just like the Rangers were in on Weber, look to improve all areas. If it came down to choice I still look to fill the weakest spot on the team, the forwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    The last 2 cup winner had awful PP and still managed to win while the Rangers had an awful PP and couldn't reach the finals. The team is incompetent at the point on the PP. WHY do you think the Rangers were trying to trade for Weber if their defense is fine??????? If the Rangers add a forward, guess what?, the PP will still have issues b/c the defenseman don't scare anybody. A better offensive weapon at the point would raise the whole level of the forwards and defense.

    Again, WHY do you think the Rangers were trying to trade for Weber if their defense is fine???????

    Never said to include Kreider in a trade, you just did and the Flyers will end up giving up picks as compensation and not players (in case rumors are false). I've repeated continually what Weber brings to the table. We'll see it for the next decade against the Rangers so those who didn't want him, got their wish. Comically, it appears he signed with Philly b/c he didn't want to play in Manhattan and NOT b/c the Rangers didn't want him. (boarderline NEED him)

    I brought up Joe Sakic b/c the deal was widely known as the most significant move over the past 20 years for hockey. " How Joe Sakic Helped Change the Hockey Business" http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ckey-business/ The five first rounders would have been compensation for players under 30 years old which is why the Rangers continually signed players over 30 years old for nearly a decade. The cap was put in place NOT so the Rangers would buy everybody but to control their spending which would have skewed all salaries across the board and bankrupted over half the league. The loop hole was discovered when the Isles signed DiPietro for over 10 years.

    MDZ - compare this past year to one year earlier. I'm hoping these other Rangers forwards develop overnight (sry, 6-8 months like MDZ just diid

    Bottom line; the Rangers DID try for Weber during a time in which some believe they should be trying for a forward b/c the defense is fine. It appears the Rangers were more in line with my thinking as they tried for Weber yet were locked out when Philly made the contract offer and Weber signed it.
    Never said to include Kreider in a trade, you just did and the Flyers will end up giving up picks as compensation and not players (in case rumors are false). I've repeated continually what Weber brings to the table. We'll see it for the next decade against the Rangers so those who didn't want him, got their wish. Comically, it appears he signed with Philly b/c he didn't want to play in Manhattan and NOT b/c the Rangers didn't want him. (boarderline NEED him)


    Once again slow down he is still not a Flyer

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    14 years at over 6 million who has had one 50 point season in his career. Yep. Sounds like a desperate Philly contract to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by averymustgo View Post
    14 years at over 6 million who has had one 50 point season in his career. Yep. Sounds like a desperate Philly contract to me.

    Is that why the Rangers were heavily in negotiations for his services? Appears the only reason he's not here is he didn't want to be here. The Rangers wouldn't have got him for less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    Is that why the Rangers were heavily in negotiations for his services? Appears the only reason he's not here is he didn't want to be here. The Rangers wouldn't have got him for less.

    50 Points and 110 Mil somewhere Ray Bourque is crying

    For less no but we werent stupid enough to offer that or more

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyr2002nyr View Post
    50 Points and 110 Mil somewhere Ray Bourque is crying

    For less no but we werent stupid enough to offer that or more
    Ryan Suter had 46 points and Parise had 69 - Weber brings more to the table than both.

    It's really not much when averaged over the length of the contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    Ryan Suter had 46 points and Parise had 69 - Weber brings more to the table than both.

    It's really not much when averaged over the length of the contract.
    Except for the fact that the contract lasts for 14 years
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    Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98
    Ryan Suter had 46 points and Parise had 69 - Weber brings more to the table than both.

    It's really not much when averaged over the length of the contract.

    Except for the fact that the contract lasts for 14 years


    The duration isn't so the player is necessarily in uniform for 14 years but to spread out the salary. Like Richards, it's likely front loaded but over more years. If the wheels fall off the guy 10 years from now (36) it's easy to buy out the remaining four years. People can bash it all they like but there is no question the Rangers wanted this guy more than he wanted NY. Otherwise, this would have been a Rangers contract and a brilliant one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    Ryan Suter had 46 points and Parise had 69 - Weber brings more to the table than both.

    It's really not much when averaged over the length of the contract.


    But everyone knew Zach was going to get that kind of money the Suter thing was more of a shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyr2002nyr View Post
    But everyone knew Zach was going to get that kind of money the Suter thing was more of a shock.

    We don't know that. We didn't know either was going to get $98 million. Where the heck did it say that was the going rate in the market?

    Some think not only were the Rangers not interested in Weber but that Philly made a desperate move b/c of the money? Really? Well, the Rangers did go after Weber and the money falls in line with what the market calls for as Weber is more valuable than the previous two mentioned.

    Fast forward to Nash, with the going rate at around $98-$110 million, what is the value of Nash being he gets paid less? How does a team over compensate for getting a player who is paid under market? I'm guessing it's players. What's Doan worth now?

    We had no idea what the market was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    We don't know that. We didn't know either was going to get $98 million. Where the heck did it say that was the going rate in the market?

    Some think not only were the Rangers not interested in Weber but that Philly made a desperate move b/c of the money? Really? Well, the Rangers did go after Weber and the money falls in line with what the market calls for as Weber is more valuable than the previous two mentioned.

    Fast forward to Nash, with the going rate at around $98-$110 million, what is the value of Nash being he gets paid less? How does a team over compensate for getting a player who is paid under market? I'm guessing it's players. What's Doan worth now?

    We had no idea what the market was.

    If you didnt realize that Zach was getting 90+mil you are one of a rare few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyr2002nyr View Post
    If you didnt realize that Zach was getting 90+mil you are one of a rare few.
    It's parlayed off of what Weber was offered and how some thought it was a panic moved based on money. Try to connect the dots in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSPORTS98 View Post
    It's parlayed off of what Weber was offered and how some thought it was a panic moved based on money. Try to connect the dots in the thread.
    It parlayed off of what players got before him very recently man

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyr2002nyr View Post
    It parlayed off of what players got before him very recently man
    Parlayed off of another post in the thread . . . forget it.

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    Why doesn't Nashville just match the contract and trade him next offseason?

    In this scenerio, they're basically not holding any great cards. Next offseason, they will have shaved about $20 off this contract and start a bidding war for his services.

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