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    Any Chance Chooch is Juicing?

    First time, ever, away from the Sixers Forum. And so forgive me if this has been discussed.

    Now I LOVE Chooch, etc etc

    But his numbers, compared to previous years, are just out of sight. As you all know.

    Any chance? Is anyone else the least bit curious?

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    Is there a chance? Of course.

    But I'd say it's unlikely. Catchers have a habit of having career years late in their career. Then they quickly break down.
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    Go back to the Sixers forum.
    Last edited by Jbendz; 07-13-2012 at 02:40 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbendz View Post
    Go back to the Sixers forum.
    I suppose the use of the smiley face was supposed to minimize the rudeness?

    The guy's batting average is up SEVENTY points in one year. A HUNDRED points since '09. Heck, he batted .219 in '08!

    He's DOUBLED his HR output - in one half of a year - compared to last year's entire season. And in fact in his first 80 games he's knocked out the same number as he had in the two previous seasons COMBINED.

    SNIFF SNIFF

    Something's fishy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyPrior View Post
    I suppose the use of the smiley face was supposed to minimize the rudeness?

    The guy's batting average is up SEVENTY points in one year. A HUNDRED points since '09. Heck, he batted .219 in '08!

    He's DOUBLED his HR output - in one half of a year - compared to last year's entire season. And in fact in his first 80 games he's knocked out the same number as he had in the two previous seasons COMBINED.

    SNIFF SNIFF

    Something's fishy.
    Yeah. Fixed that for ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyPrior View Post

    The guy's batting average is up SEVENTY points in one year. A HUNDRED points since '09. Heck, he batted .219 in '08!

    He's DOUBLED his HR output - in one half of a year - compared to last year's entire season. And in fact in his first 80 games he's knocked out the same number as he had in the two previous seasons COMBINED.

    SNIFF SNIFF

    Something's fishy.
    Watch some of his ABs from year to year. This year, he has a short compact swing and is going with the pitch. In previously years he has had a longer swing and didn't make the same kind of consistent contact. He is really putting it all together with the bat this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyPrior View Post
    I suppose the use of the smiley face was supposed to minimize the rudeness?

    The guy's batting average is up SEVENTY points in one year. A HUNDRED points since '09. Heck, he batted .219 in '08!

    He's DOUBLED his HR output - in one half of a year - compared to last year's entire season. And in fact in his first 80 games he's knocked out the same number as he had in the two previous seasons COMBINED.

    SNIFF SNIFF

    Something's fishy.
    PED's cant help your ability to make contact with a ball... Chooch has been steadily improving every year. The only thing thats alittle out of the ordinary is his power output this year. I thought Chooch was going to have a good year offensivly, but no one expected .340+, and doubled HR production. But just because he's having a great year doesnt mean that he's taking PED's, and if he was im sure he'd have already been caught. They test all of the all stars before the all star game, and everyone has atleast ONE testing done in the first half of the season. And the MLB targets players who have breakout years, and teams that have been successful to do more random testing. So Im 100% sure he'd already have been caught if he was doing anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexicano31 View Post
    Im just so excited to go see roger waters that I'm being super agreeable
    I didn't know he was at Yankee Stadium when I was in NY. I would've ****ing loved to go

    Props.LgnD.

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    Ricky, not in here. Chooch is loved by all...besides, how do you say juicing in Spanish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    Ricky, not in here. Chooch is loved by all...besides, how do you say juicing in Spanish?
    I love him too. But, c'mon....it has to be discussed. In this day and age, it's a shame, yeah...but SEVENTY points?

    (And I assume he worked "hard" in all the other off-seasons.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    Ricky, not in here. Chooch is loved by all...besides, how do you say juicing in Spanish?
    Enjugandose would be the literal translation but it's not a word

    Props.LgnD.

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    as long as he didnt hang out with galvis he is good.. j/k ........... this day in baseball it wouldnt shock me if anyone did PED's but chooch is clean IMO he just worked hard in the offseason got ready and this is the result


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    I don't suppose you know much about baseball analytics?

    If you do, you'll be familiar with BABIP (batting average on balls in play) which is considered a crude measure of "luck."

    As you can imagine, anytime a ball is put in play, there is a chance it's fielded for an out of falls for a hit. There are times when a guy stings the ball and the shortstop makes a leaping catch. Anywhere else on the diamond and that ball is a hit.

    Over the course of a season, a player can be lucky, unlucky, or neutral. A lucky hitter might get a number of seeing eye singles that should have been outs and/or some hits that happened to land right in front of an Adam Dunn quality defensive atrocity. An unlucky hitter is the opposite, perhaps they hit too many balls near Michael Bourn.

    Lesson in luck aside, Chooch as a very high BABIP - .362. His BABIP should be around .315. Let's call that a 50 point difference which is the same as saying that 5% of his hits on balls in play should have been outs. That's roughly 5 hits to date which reduces his batting average down to .331.

    There's more to it then that, but it's possible to deconstruct most of Chooch's season as a sabermetric anomaly. He's certainly been very good even when adjusted back to luck neutral, but it's not such a stark change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The A Team View Post
    I don't suppose you know much about baseball analytics?

    If you do, you'll be familiar with BABIP (batting average on balls in play) which is considered a crude measure of "luck."

    As you can imagine, anytime a ball is put in play, there is a chance it's fielded for an out of falls for a hit. There are times when a guy stings the ball and the shortstop makes a leaping catch. Anywhere else on the diamond and that ball is a hit.

    Over the course of a season, a player can be lucky, unlucky, or neutral. A lucky hitter might get a number of seeing eye singles that should have been outs and/or some hits that happened to land right in front of an Adam Dunn quality defensive atrocity. An unlucky hitter is the opposite, perhaps they hit too many balls near Michael Bourn.

    Lesson in luck aside, Chooch as a very high BABIP - .362. His BABIP should be around .315. Let's call that a 50 point difference which is the same as saying that 5% of his hits on balls in play should have been outs. That's roughly 5 hits to date which reduces his batting average down to .331.

    There's more to it then that, but it's possible to deconstruct most of Chooch's season as a sabermetric anomaly. He's certainly been very good even when adjusted back to luck neutral, but it's not such a stark change.
    Anyone who has been watchig the games thought, they'll tell you, Chooch is hitting the ball hard almost every AB, so those numbers should definately be high this year.

    Chooch has said that after the year ended last season, Charlie told him to come back this year in great shape because we were going to need him, and Chooch said he listened to him and did things differently this offseason. He's even said it's the first time he hit the weights hard during an off season.

    I'm with what a lot of people are saying, I think it must be hard to get away with taking any PEDs these days. Even most that are failing drug tests, it's because of suppliments that contain something illegal, not PEDs. Seems Manny is probably the only one that actually got caught with something PED like these days.

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    You're over-thinking it. How about we compare his stats to guys who were proven to have juiced? And let's track how THEIR stats peaked from one season to the next.

    Or.

    We could just ask him to make a muscle.

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