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    Quote Originally Posted by natelpete View Post
    Hill vs Stiemsma

    Sounds like we will end up with one or the other. I honestly can't tell you much about either. Who would you all rather have?

    (After reading up on it a little, I think I would prefer Hill)
    probably Hill, because Adelman trusts him, meaning he will play him minutes for sure, helping to not kill Love. Furthermore, I can't take any more "another white player" jokes.

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    alright, I will give my true response to the Hill vs Stiemsma choice.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...emgr01&y2=2012

    Hill is younger, more versatile, he can hit a 10-12 foot jumper, play both frontcourt positions on both sides of the ball, and is a much better offensive player with better hands. Active defender who can close out, and recover to rebound. He is also coming off strong playoff performances, meaning we know he can play there.

    Stiemsma is 26, active, good positional defender. His total win shares and WS/48 are inflated due to playing on one of the top defensive teams in the NBA. He can hit out to 15-17 feet, and blocks a lot of shots from the weakside with his length (this is what scares me, Kahn drools over this but if Adelman is the decision maker its null and void), but he doesn't rebound anywhere near the level of Hill, and turns the ball over roughly 1/5 possessions he is on the floor with charges and trying to do too much with the dribble.

    Hill will cost a bit more, and should.

    Jordan Hill is the better pickup, for sure.

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    I mean I'd like Hill but if we get Steimsma it helps our quest for a 99% all white roster

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    Stiemsma is a much better outside shooter and shot blocker. Hill is literally better at everything else. Plus he knows the offense, and is trusted by our coach.

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    Hill is the choice hands down. Remember that, if need be, we still have bird rights on AT and AR meaning that if Kahn just has to have that shotblocker he can opt to bring AR back even if we exceed the cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdog View Post
    Hill is the choice hands down. Remember that, if need be, we still have bird rights on AT and AR meaning that if Kahn just has to have that shotblocker he can opt to bring AR back even if we exceed the cap.
    Adelman would probably not be onboard with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdog View Post
    Hill is the choice hands down. Remember that, if need be, we still have bird rights on AT and AR meaning that if Kahn just has to have that shotblocker he can opt to bring AR back even if we exceed the cap.
    I'd be cool with bringing AR back if we didn't have a coach who hates him.

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    exactly. I understand AR had moments during the last part of the season. Adelman also had moments where he looked like he thought he made a monster mistake taking the coaching job, while we were in the midst of a huge losing streak to close the year yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    exactly. I understand AR had moments during the last part of the season. Adelman also had moments where he looked like he thought he made a monster mistake taking the coaching job, while we were in the midst of a huge losing streak to close the year yet again.
    I think a lot of people forget that AR is only 22 years old. He could be a damn good player if he could do some maturing over the next couple years.

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    I'm not saying AR would get a ton of playing time, but it sounds like certain members of the coaching staff would be on board with working with him (Adelman wouldn't even have to talk to him).

    If the staff can get him to continue to embrace the role of shotblocker/rebounder who runs the floor, I think eventually he can get limited minutes (which is all you'd really need).

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    I have zip faith in AR. Much of the time, he looks like he doesn't even know where he is at the moment. I don't think the light bulb is on in his head most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    exactly. I understand AR had moments during the last part of the season. Adelman also had moments where he looked like he thought he made a monster mistake taking the coaching job, while we were in the midst of a huge losing streak to close the year yet again.
    Randolph helped break the April losing streak though. His efficient 15pt. 10reb. 3blk. night helped to fuel the team past Detroit.

    The whole season wore on Adelman and so did Derrick Williams. I think it's a different deal if we're talking about a team that is in control of their playoff bid from the start and allows Adelman to give guys a shot or too versus Adelman fighting the whole season, battling injuries and reluctantly having no other choice than to play guys who just don't get it (AR/Williams/Beasley) or don't care (Darko).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    I have zip faith in AR. Much of the time, he looks like he doesn't even know where he is at the moment. I don't think the light bulb is on in his head most of the time.
    If OKC can have Thabeet and Perry Jones, why can't we have AR

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    AR just has a terrible demeanor and I assume thats why Adelman doesn't like him

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    Darko amnestied. nice.

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