He is a pitcher that is available, and because there are teams that had scouts at his last start (Cardinals being one of them). It doesn't mean teams are interested in him. These teams could have been scouting Ichiro, Vargas, League, Kelly, Camp etc. A number of pitchers. And just because there was a rumor about it, which also could have just been a reporting making **** up (that happens every single year ya know). It doesn't mean that he has value at the trade deadline. He is a likely non-tender candidate at the end of this year.
Originally Posted by jej
Delgado for Dempster hasn't happened yet, and it was simply rumored that it was Delgado for Dempster. We don't actually know that yet.
A half a year a Dempster is worth a major league ready top 50 prospect, so 1.5 years of Vargas is worth someone not in the top 100. Pitching goes for more than it should around this time.
And Dempster is a full run better than Vargas every 9 innings. That's a fairly large difference.
We easily have better options than Vargas. Kelly and Dickson are just as good if not slightly better, and both of them are bullpen valuable pitchers to us. Vargas is not of need to us. I could see Moz getting him to shore things up, but I wouldn't agree with it, like I didn't agree with getting Westbrook when we did.
Why would you not trade from strength to help your weakness? And dont say you have people as good as Vargas cause you dont. They are both unproven.
******** he has been above league average. Nothing about him is above league average other than his walk rate, and that doesn't help his K/BB enough to matter.
Vargas has been above average if you take away his one bad start in Arizona.
2012 League Ranks:
• 7th in AL in W (10)
• 3rd in AL in IP (138.0)
• 10th in AL in WHIP (1.20)
• 9th in AL in CG (1)
5.93 K/9 - league average is 7.50 K/9
2.48 BB/9 - league average is 3.09 BB/9
2.39 K/BB - league average is 2.43 K/BB
1.63 HR/9 - league average is 1.02 HR/9
4.95 FIP - league average is 4.01 FIP
4.40 xFIP - league average is 4.01 xFIP
You are not understanding that in order to make a successful trade, you have to actually help the team you are trading with. You have to help them fill a need. This isn't MLB the Show, or a video game. Vargas doesn't help the Cardinals out at all. It makes sense that Moz would have an interest in him, because Moz thinks that all the available pitchers on the market are too expensive, so he sets his sights on the guy further down the totem pole in asking price. It doesn't mean he is worth anything more.
You do what Skippy suggested. Ask fans in other sections of this forum what they would give up for Vargas. Adams would be the prize of the offers, and we wouldn't even give you him.
Cards Sig Game (ranks right after list)
11-4 (18 starts)1st
3.2 fWAR 1st
5.1 rWAR 1st