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    Yeah, starters are ridiculously high right now

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    https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/227090948658720768

    Mozeliak: #Cardinals are not as eager to add starter http://bit.ly/O8TG3x Eying RH-hitting CF (or bat for CF) and relief #stlcards

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    If we aren't adding a starter I won't be surprised at all if Shelby Miller would get a call up at some point. If Kelly can keep up what he's doing we will be fine but I don't believe he can, unless he cuts down his walks significantly. He's got good stuff but is walking to many.

    I don't see much being available though in the right handed CF options. Should be an interesting deadline.

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    Yeah I can't think of too many rh cf to trade for. Maybe Cody Ross from the sox if they are sellers. Ross can start vs lhp, who he absolutely owns

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    If we get our bullpen going along with some added players we will be fine with Kelly in the rotation and if Garcia comes back healthy and more effective because of it then we will be fine.

    The biggest key, IMO is guys in the pen must pitch better, we cant trade for a whole new one like last year basically. That said, since June 30th, the Cards pen is pitching at 2.50 ERA, much how they were to start the year, so they could easily finish strong for the rest of the year.

    It's hard because which pen do we have? We started off the year on fire. Had a horrible end of May and June and a very strong July. I think another pitcher is needed for sure but which one are we? Do we need a couple pitchers? one? are Salas and Zep really back on track like they seem to be or just having a good stretch?

    I'd hate to have Mo's job right now, not an easy call at all.

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    Our current bullpen
    Motte CL
    Boggs SU
    Salas RHP
    Zep LHP
    Browning LHP
    Marte RHP
    Rosenthal RHP

    Marte needs to go IMO, he started the year off good but has been far from effective the last few weeks and he's extremely home run prone. So we could use another righty.

    We have Fuentes in the minors who will most likely be up sometime in the next week and a half, he's currently down there just to knock the rust off since he hadn't pitched in a few weeks since his DFA. Fuentes was getting out lefties still decently effectively. I think we could send Browning down and call him Fuentes up and I do personally think him and Zep can be good enough as lefty specialists (and maybe more) to be fine for lefties in the pen. So I don't think trading for another lefty is a smart move unless we are trading for a lockdown lefty, not another guy like what we already have.

    as far as a righty, our problem has been in the 6th/7th. If Salas is back on track he can be an extremely effective 6th/7th/8th inning pitcher, I think Salas is fine now after getting rested and I personally think he will be an effective reliever the rest of the way.

    Rosenthal is a wildcard, We don't know if he will be an effective reliever yet at this level or not, he needs more apperances before we really know. He could be sent back down to the minors or stay.

    We need 1 or 2 (depending on Rostenthal) good right handed relief pitchers IMO to really lockdown our bullpen. With what we have I don't think we need another lefty, Just my thoughts on our bullpen.

    I don't think another RH bat off the bench who can play CF is a bad idea but I don't know that anything all that great an upgrade will be available.

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    Marte throws his fastball way too much over the middle of the plate. He needs to keep it low! He does that and he will improve.

    Hey Fuentes has pitched 2 innings with 1 strikeout no walks and 1 hit and NO runs. Looks pretty good so far i'm sure he'll be up to our team by next week.
    We have to bring him up by July 31st or he can opt out of the contract i believe.

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    Here is a potential list of RHH CF's that the Cards could theoretically go after.

    AZ: Chris Young
    BOS: Cody Ross, Daniel Nava
    CHC: Reed Johnson, Joe Mather
    CLE: Shelly Duncan
    COL: Dexter Fowler, Eric Young, Jr.
    DET: Austin Jackson, Ryan Raburn
    HOU: J.D. Martinez, Justin Maxwell, Ben Francisco
    KC: Jeff Francoeur, Lorenzo Cain
    LAA: Peter Bourjos
    LAD: Jerry Hairston, Jr.
    MIA: Emilio Bonifacio, Austin Kearns, Justin Ruggiano
    MIN: Willingham, Ryan Doumit,
    NYM: Scott Hairston, Andres Torres
    OAK: Coco Crisp
    PHI: Shane Victorino, Hunter Pence
    SD: Cameron Maybin,
    SF: Angel Pagan
    SEA: Casper Wells, Chone Figgins
    TB: BJ Upton, Desmond Jennings,
    TEX: Craig Gentry
    TOR: Rajai Davis

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    Since we are just looking for someone to play pretty much in spots for jay and pinch hit I'm not sure I have much interest in anyone on that list, some are intriguing

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    Just to add to this.

    Cardinals GM John Mozeliak told reporters, including Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, that there is no urgency to add a starting pitcher with the increased production from the rotation and the encouraging health of Jaime Garcia. "It clearly takes a little pressure off as far as feeling like we have to do something," said Mozeliak. "We feel very confident that (Garcia) is going to be back by mid-August. If you were to go after another starter, who are you really bouncing out? That's why the urgency isn't quite there for rotation help as it was three or four weeks ago."
    Still think we need to add a starter just for the fact that Garcia might not be back or will be ineffective for the rest of the year. Yeah the SP core have been performing well but in a playoff push I'd rather have too much pitching. I think Mo is assuming that by adding a SP Lynn would be in the pen along with Kelly if Garcia comes back as well. Could Mo just be throwing out a smokescreen to other clubs maybe, but we need another SP.

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    I like Raburn. Wouldn't mind him but he's probably not available since det is looking better and climbing to the top of the division recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cards7 View Post
    Just to add to this.



    Still think we need to add a starter just for the fact that Garcia might not be back or will be ineffective for the rest of the year. Yeah the SP core have been performing well but in a playoff push I'd rather have too much pitching. I think Mo is assuming that by adding a SP Lynn would be in the pen along with Kelly if Garcia comes back as well. Could Mo just be throwing out a smokescreen to other clubs maybe, but we need another SP.
    completely agree, we need another starter, to many what ifs. What if Garcia comes back healthy? What if he doesn't? What if Lynn's arm holds up? What if it doesn't? What if we have another injury to the rotation? What if we don't?

    We just have to many risks not to trade for another quality starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cards7 View Post
    Here is a potential list of RHH CF's that the Cards could theoretically go after.

    AZ: Chris Young
    BOS: Cody Ross, Daniel Nava
    CHC: Reed Johnson, Joe Mather
    CLE: Shelly Duncan
    COL: Dexter Fowler, Eric Young, Jr.
    DET: Austin Jackson, Ryan Raburn
    HOU: J.D. Martinez, Justin Maxwell, Ben Francisco
    KC: Jeff Francoeur, Lorenzo Cain
    LAA: Peter Bourjos
    LAD: Jerry Hairston, Jr.
    MIA: Emilio Bonifacio, Austin Kearns, Justin Ruggiano
    MIN: Willingham, Ryan Doumit,
    NYM: Scott Hairston, Andres Torres
    OAK: Coco Crisp
    PHI: Shane Victorino, Hunter Pence
    SD: Cameron Maybin,
    SF: Angel Pagan
    SEA: Casper Wells, Chone Figgins
    TB: BJ Upton, Desmond Jennings,
    TEX: Craig Gentry
    TOR: Rajai Davis
    We'd have to trade a ton for someone like Ajax, he's been a monster this year.
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    I like Raburn. Wouldn't mind him but he's probably not available since det is looking better and climbing to the top of the division recently.
    Please never say that again. Raburn is an awful player. He's been good in the 2nd half in the past few seasons, but tbh he shouldn't even be on a major league roster.

    The Tigers sent him down and he still hit .160 in AAA.. there was no reason for them to call him back up. He's hitting .172 with a .482 OPS this season in almost 200 abs... just awful.

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    I know how much everyone thinks Raburn sucks, but if he got DFA'd, I would hope the Cards would consider him as a 25th man with Schumaker.

    He is the right handed version of Skip in a lot of ways and has a slow start every season.

    He is overall a league average bat with pretty weak defense in most positions, but he can play basically every where.

    He would not be my first choice, but if he was free to take, I would snatch him up as a long bench guy.
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    The frustrating part about this team is it's clear what we need, bullpen help and maybe a right handed bat, what's not clear is how much we need of what

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