idk bout past decade but i can think of a few in the past few yrs P Manning, R Bush, B Marshall, K Dansby, V Jackson, B Green-Ellis, B. LLoyd, C. Nicks, C. Finnegan, B. Carr, M. Vick, B. Favre, C. Lofton, E. Winston, K. Rivers, B. Edwards, C. Pennington, M. Lynch, J. Peppers, A. Rolle, K. Warner, B. Scott, F. Taylor, D. Sproles, N. Asomugha, DRC, A. Cromartie, J. Smith, R. Starks, A. Samuel, C. Clemons
oops should i stop?
some teams just have bad players in significant areas that make big splashes pointless. we have the nucleus with the good QB
I don't find Turner overrated. He's a workhorse back who was that team's offense for a while. I really don't care what a couple fans on a forum have to say and they shouldn't be complaining either considering the success that team has had the past 4 years. Without Turner I can guarantee you they don't match that.
And they have had some "speed" backs who didn't really do squat. Jerious Norwood and Jacquizz Rodgers come to mind and Norwood didn't do much in his career there and Rodgers hasn't really yet.
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Now on to the rest of your list:
Bush - Traded; Marshall - Traded; Dansby - No significant impact; V-Jax - hasn't made a significant impact; BGE - I haven't heard a thing about him, no major/significant impact; Lloyd - Overrated, always has been, Brady is making him better; Nicks - he's a guard that hasn't made a major impact; Finnegan - still has a ways to go, but still nothing major; Carr - Lololololololololol; Lofton - Yeah, that Saints D is ****ing amazing ; Winston - Lol another lineman that's done nothing spectacular; Rivers - Really dude...?; Edwards - he didn't have a major impact; Lynch - Finally you get one right; Peppers - no doubt he's good, but you've missed my point ENTIRELY; Rolle - One of the most overrated players in the league; Bryan Scott or Bart Scott? - Bart was nothing amazing, Bryan has had his moments; Taylor - LOL!!!!; Sproles - yeah he's good, but thanks for missing my point. Asmoghua - Hasn't been anything special; DRC - Traded; Cronartie - he's terrible; Smith - I could go into a lengthy discussion about all this, but to keep it short, he was good but wasn't great until the defensive scheme changed; Starks - He's been really good, but again my point has been missed; Samuel - Good, missed my point; Clemons - Uhh...who? I can't think which team right now.
So basically Derek you missed my point entirely, and I'll point out a few other things for you;
- Firstly my point was that most big name FAs don't have significant impacts, and by significant I mean they change the dynamic of the team on that side of the ball; the only players that have done such a thing in the past decade are Randy Moss and Charles Woodson, perhaps Terrell Owens ecause I'm feeling generous.
- Second, most of the players you've listed went to teams that were already good, and none have had massive impacts where they change the dynamic of the team.
- Third, and this is probably the most important as it pertains to us, most of the teams that have signed those players have only signed 1, maybe 2 at the most, and you're expecting us to be really aggressive and sign multiple big name FAs and expect us to dominate? Hell, just looking at the lost of names you can see most of the really strong teams haven't been crazy in FA, they've built through the draft.
I mean, this idea really isn't that hard to follow and it's been demonstrated quite well by most of the successful and unsuccessful teams. Most teams that are aggressive in FA and get the big names are typically unsuccessful (Look at the Redskins as a prime example) and teams that are successful are typically successful because they build through the draft and sign maybe 1 big name FA, however, most of the time they simply sign cheaper role players that fit their philosophies.
I really wish you would stop, please for the love of God, stop. You are one of the most ignorant and delusional posters on PSD and I know I have just wasted my time typing all this because no matter what I say you are going to completely dismiss it and stick to what you think, regardless of how wrong it is. Only reason I even responded to this is because Sox quoted you and I figured it'd be better for him and others to see rather than you because I know responding to you is only going to make me want to punch myself in the face for even trying to talk to you.
Here, I'll throw out a name that you could argue was a massive acquisition;
Cameron Wake. But he's nowhere on the level of players like Moss & Woodson in terms of impact.
Ultimately most big name FAs do have a positive impact on teams, I'm not denying that and anybody that would is a moron, my point or question is, is that team winning BECAUSE of that player, or would they still be winning without that player/lesser player, albeit with a bit more of a struggle. The Raiders and Redskins have shown that spending big money on a lot of big name FAs isn't the way to go, whereas you look at teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Giants, Saints they're not aggressive in FA, they build through the draft, and perhaps make a trade here or there, also look at Houston and Atlanta as other good examples. Could even argue the 49ers with their only two big signings being Justin Smith and Carlos Rodgers, both of which weren't even big names when they signed.
2. oh i cant name QB's you never said that. thankfully i can name 50 other players if you like that are non QB's that have made impacts
3. everybody i listed has made an impact
4. Eagles are 3-1 half their team are free agents
5. just bc a free agent is a bust on his new team does not mean all are. the ones who dont bust greatly outnumber the ones who do
6.Chris Clemons? plays for Seattle? mauled Aaron Rodgers? ring a bell? idk if you just watch Miami games or are too busy watching soccer or rugby to notice that other NFL teams have rosters but im here if you need me to explain who any of the other players i listed are
Pats arent aggressive? Brandon Lloyd ? Randy Moss?. Raiders and Redskins didnt have QB's or you could be singing a diff tune. notice how every team you listed that dont make much FA noise have QB's
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