Focusing on next years draft!

[tunnicliffderek]

We definitely need another pass rusher and cover corner. Personally I'm greedy. I want ALL the best the draft had to offer. I don't want to settle unless there is someone that has the potential to be a great player. I don't watch a lot of college ball so I can't tell which players will develop into great pros.

I'm looking so far at:

Sam Montgomery and Barkevious Mingo both from LSU, both DE/OLB
Jarvis Jones from Georgia, OLB
Chase Thomas from Stanford, OLB (probably the most realistic pick since I think we'll be drafting in the middle of the round, hopefully he slides in to round 2 and we get him there)
Sean Porter from Texas A&M, OLB (again a little more realistic, hopefully in the 2nd or 3rd or maybe we double dip in the 2nd round on him and Thomas)
Shayne Skov from Stanford, ILB/OLB (if we're going to get more rushing presence I'd like to get Chase Thomas in the 2nd round and Skov in the 3rd round; I'd prefer Montgomery/Mingo duo but that isn't going to happen even in my wettest dreams)

DeMarcus Milliner from Alabama, CB (WalterFootball thinks he's probably the best man-to-man corner in college this year)
Xavier Rhodes from Florida State, CB (on paper I like him better than Milliner because of his size; wouldn't mind singing DRC in FA and drafting Rhodes)
David Amerson from North Carolina State, CB (I'm only considering him because he can also play safety, he kind of scares me but he's got good size; not very high on him, maybe in the 2nd round)
Jordan Poyer from Oregon State, CB (not sure about his man-to-man cover skills; again another 2nd rounder)
Desmond Trufant from Washington, CB (he can also play safety, has speed to run with WRs, has to show more consistency)

Yes we need a #1 WR. The only WRs I'm considering right now are Keenan Allen/Justin Hunter/Terrance Williams in the first round.

How do I think the picks should play out? Well I think we're going to be picking somewhere in the middle. I think the WR in the first since we won't be in position to draft one of the premier DE/OLB/CB.

1. WR (Allen/Hunter/Williams) or CB (Milliner/Rhodes)

2a. if we go CB in first then WR (whatever is left of Allen/Hunter/Williams) or DE/OLB (Chase Thomas/Sean Porter) else it can also go this way

2a. if we go WR in the first then DE/OLB (Chase Thomas/Sean Porter)

2b. if we go WR with 2a then DE/OLB (Chase Thomas/Sean Porter) else CB (Poyer/Trufant/Amerson)

3a. DE/OLB (Shayne Skov) or WR (Da'Rick Rogers/Cordarrelle Patterson)

3b. basically do the opposite of 3a

I really believe that between Rhodes and Milliner that they don't make it out of the 1st round. I think the WRs will go in the tail end of the first or top of the 2nd. This in know way mean they are not 1st round talent but more about how things could shake out for them.

I think there are going to be 3 QBs going in the 1st round, Montgomery and Mingo, Jarvis Jones, 2 OTs and and OG, Rhodes and Milliner, 2 DTs, then the various others from DE/OLB and CB. This is what might push the WR down to late 1st to early 2nd. If we end up picking in the middle of the round I'd like to trade down and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Chase Thomas and Sean Porter are my fave 2 OLBs that are realistic. Thomas + Porter can both play 4-3 OLB and beat out Misi

Keenan Allen is out of reach. Hunter and Woods are the only WR's id take in the first and id take Xavier Rhodes over Woods.

WR's im interested in outside the 1st are Patterson, Rodgers, Bailey and Swope. I believe all of them except for Swope will go 2nd round.

call me crazy i believe 5 QBs go in the 1st and that someone will trade from the 2nd to bottom of the 1st for one.

[oconn444]

im all in for Rhodes or Eifert at where i see us drafting, i read a mock draft that has us taking Warmack, although i dont think its a bad idea i think our need for playmakers on either side of the ball is higher than solidifying the line because that can be obtained through later rounds and FA

also i think we should gamble on DaRick Rodgers, very physical and has amazing hands, good fit for this offense

[Gambit1]

man i wish we needed a running back cause i would love kenion barner but on a realistic choice its all gunna depend were our pick is cause players can drop or be taken higher

[tunnicliffderek]

not that we need a RB but if we did Le'Veon Bell would be my choice

[fin_frenzy_84]

Resign

Bush
Smith
Hartline
Starks

Sign

Bowe
Jared Cook
Bushrod

Draft-
1st-Keenan Allen WR
2nd-Dion Jordan DE
2nd-Desmond Trufant CB
3rd-Sean Porter OLB
3rd-Baccarri Rambo FS
4th-Adrian Bushell CB

[Mckphins]

^so you wouldn't re-sign long and you wouldn't find anyone to replace the guy? God save tannehill

[royalswine]

I'm not saying draft a pass rusher for the sake of it, I'm saying draft one because we absolutely need one.

And I'd you think this is such an awful idea, look at the Giants model for success. Lookwho they've beaten TWICE in the Superbowl and look what got them the wins....pass rush (along with very good QB play).

Cut a lot of the quote down just to get to the point I was trying to make. This is probably just miscommunication. I was not saying that having a good DLine is a bad thing, the Giants example is fine but I don't think it applies to my post. I was saying that drafting a DE in the first round is not a must if we are passing on guys like Hunter to take a shot at a player like Orakpo, because I think there are plenty of guys that could be just as good as him taken later in the draft. If Montgomery is there, of course take him. I just think he will be gone, along with most of the top rushers, before we draft. The Giants DLine is not made of exclusively first rounders. There is only one first rounder of consequence on that line.

Osi-2nd round
Tuck- 3rd round
Joseph- 2nd round
JPP- 1st round
Canty- FA, but was drafted by Cowboys in 4th round.

Mostly high picks, but just saying that it isn't required to burn a first on one. I would rather have the player I think has the best shot to be elite in the first.

[Vegas_Phin1]

Cut a lot of the quote down just to get to the point I was trying to make. This is probably just miscommunication. I was not saying that having a good DLine is a bad thing, the Giants example is fine but I don't think it applies to my post. I was saying that drafting a DE in the first round is not a must if we are passing on guys like Hunter to take a shot at a player like Orakpo, because I think there are plenty of guys that could be just as good as him taken later in the draft. If Montgomery is there, of course take him. I just think he will be gone, along with most of the top rushers, before we draft. The Giants DLine is not made of exclusively first rounders. There is only one first rounder of consequence on that line.

Osi-2nd round
Tuck- 3rd round
Joseph- 2nd round
JPP- 1st round
Canty- FA, but was drafted by Cowboys in 4th round.

Mostly high picks, but just saying that it isn't required to burn a first on one. I would rather have the player I think has the best shot to be elite in the first.

I don't think the point was that you had to spend firsts to make your D line good...it's that a beastly line/pass rush is an apparent blueprint for success. I agree with best player available. If Hunter is the best on the board and we could land Porter in the second, then that would be fine with me. If it just so happens that Montgomery (for example) fell to us, then grab him up and start finding your WRs in the 2nd/3rd (and possibly FA). There's no doubt that a better passrush would make our secondary better...but our secondary needs to improve A LOT before next season IMO.

[2ndGenDolFan]

Just tossing it out there, do we draft an elite DE/OLB (Montgomery/Mingo) or a shutdown corner (Rhodes/Milliner)?

I'm torn on this one. I'm hoping we can snag DRC in FA and hopefully draft an elite DE/OLB. If not I think we take the BPA that fits into one of our needs.

[justinnum1]

Just tossing it out there, do we draft an elite DE/OLB (Montgomery/Mingo) or a shutdown corner (Rhodes/Milliner)?

I'm torn on this one. I'm hoping we can snag DRC in FA and hopefully draft an elite DE/OLB. If not I think we take the BPA that fits into one of our needs.

i think we need a shutdown corner more.

[LegendX]

Yeah good luck finding a shutdown corner

[justinnum1]

Yeah good luck finding a shutdown corner

Never said it was going to be easy, but if we have a chance to get one we need it...

[fin_frenzy_84]

^so you wouldn't re-sign long and you wouldn't find anyone to replace the guy? God save tannehill

Do you know who Bushrod is?

[Wrench]

i think we need a shutdown corner more.

Your not getting one in this draft. CBs are by far one of the hardest potions to play coming out of college. They need a few years, to become really good.

Pass rushers translate a bit more easy, I'd rather spend the money in FA to sign a solid CB and take a Pass Rusher in the draft.

[tunnicliffderek]

not saying he will become a shutdown corner in the NFL but Xavier Rhodes upside is just that