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  • Allen Craig

    18 36.00%

  • Mark Trumbo

    32 64.00%
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  1. 06-20-2012, 07:30 PM #16
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    I'm down to bump.. Should be interesting to see how this pans out.

    Trumbo has clearly evolved as a hitter so using his 2011 splits can certainly cause over reaction.. Dude has found some patience and discovered that right field exist in 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Posey is probably the better player, but if the results continue to support Ellis, I would say he is better. Moving forward, you are probably better off betting on Posey, but as long as this year isn't a fluke for Ellis, he would be the right bet. We don't know yet.
    Where's the probably come from? Posey is definitely better than Ellis.


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    I can't even compare these two yet.. but Trumbo obviously atm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metsfan0791 View Post
    I can't even compare these two yet.. but Trumbo obviously atm
    Why obviously?
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    I voted for the wrong person, the obvious answer right now is Trumbo.
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  10. 06-23-2012, 02:40 AM #23
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    I don't know how anyone can say the obvious answer is Trumbo.

    He has never hit at any level better than Craig, ever. Majors or minors.

    Not to mention the versatility of Craig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The X Factor View Post
    I voted for the wrong person, the obvious answer right now is Trumbo.
    I fixed your vote for ya So your total goes to Trumbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I don't know how anyone can say the obvious answer is Trumbo.

    He has never hit at any level better than Craig, ever. Majors or minors.

    Not to mention the versatility of Craig.
    You mean except for the fact that he is hitting better than him right now? And is doing so in a much larger sample?

    Craig: .311 .391 .588 - 119 AB
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    Quote Originally Posted by fresh prince View Post
    You mean except for the fact that he is hitting better than him right now? And is doing so in a much larger sample?

    Craig: .311 .391 .588 - 119 AB
    Trumbo: .323 .376 .629 - 229 AB
    Not including Craig's 2 for 4 with a single and a double today as well a walk and Trumbo being 0 for 3 today.

    Craig - .315/.392/.605 - .420 wOBA, 171 wRC+
    Trumbo - .318/.370/.618 - .416 wOBA, 167 wRC+

    Advantage Craig. 13 points in slugging does not beat 22 points in OBP.

    Trumbo has created 49 runs this year offensively, to Craig's 29.

    But, as you said, 148 plate appearances to 254 plate appearances. But Craig is again on a better pace. Trumbo certainly has stepped it up though.

    I think more so, people just don't know anything about Allen Craig.
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    Minor league careers

    Trumbo - .275/.330/.474 - 3069 PA
    Craig - .308/.369/.518 - 2209 PA

    Craig was clearly better in their minor league careers

    Major league careers
    Trumbo - .269/.312/.511 - 843 PA
    Craig - .297/.355/.605 - 491 PA

    And Craig threw in 47 productive playoff PA where he maintained that production level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I don't know how anyone can say the obvious answer is Trumbo.

    He has never hit at any level better than Craig, ever. Majors or minors.

    Not to mention the versatility of Craig.
    Fine. Obscurely, the answer is Trumbo. Call me when Craig can actually get some playing time. And Trumbo is also versatile. He has played 1B, RF, LF, and 3B. Not necessarily well, but he can play there adequately enough that it doesn't counteract his run production.
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  17. 06-25-2012, 11:23 AM #30
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    As of this morning on the 2012 season

    Craig - .320/.399/.609 - .425 wOBA, 175 wRC+
    Trumbo - .316/.368/.612 - .413 wOBA, 165 wRC+

    Craig only has 148 PA, but as long as he stays in the lineup for 80% of the rest of the year, he will have enough PA to qualify for the batting title (not that he would get it). I would say that is enough PA to warrant his value.

    He is behind Trumbo by 110 PA this season, and as my post above pointed out, Craig would have to play historically horrible to match Trumbo in statistics for the last two years. Pretty hard to understand why anyone would say the obvious answer is Trumbo.


    Since we made the friendly wager (it's been less than a week). Just updating where we are

    Trumbo - .280/.280/.600 - .370 wOBA, 136 wRC+
    Craig - .238/.304/.429 - .319 wOBA, 102 wRC+
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