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View Poll Results: Best SP since 1925

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  • Pedro

    8 21.05%
  • Clemens

    8 21.05%
  • Randy

    5 13.16%
  • Grove

    0 0%
  • Maddux

    7 18.42%
  • Seaver

    4 10.53%
  • Gibson

    4 10.53%
  • Feller

    1 2.63%
  • Roberts

    0 0%
  • Spahn

    1 2.63%
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    Best SP (career) since 1925

    There was a greatest SP poll some months ago. Guys were missing from the list, and the mix of dead ball and live ball made it tough. I've listed 10 live ball guys, and am posting the following stats for those that want to see them. I don't care about RP's, fielding, or peak values. Pitchers listed 1-10 by rate of PRAR saved per IP.

    Definitions:

    IP
    ERA+
    DERA - ERA with defense removed, EQ'd to all time, with ave ERA 4.50
    FIP - Tom Tango's Fielding Independent Pitching.
    PRAR - pitcher above replacement

    I looked at Koufax, Ryan, Carl Hubbell, Jim Palmer, Steve Carlton, Gaylord Perry, Ford, Marichal, Jenkins - probably all fitting into the next 10, but don't belong in the top 10.

    Name - IP - PRAR ER+ FIP DERA

    Pedro 2782 1205 154 2.89 3.17
    RClen 4916 2034 143 3.09 3.18
    RJnsn 4039 1632 137 3.15 3.49
    LGrov 3940 1431 148 3.36 3.38
    GMdx 5008 1707 132 3.26 3.67
    TSevr 4782 1545 127 3.04 3.69
    BGibs 3884 1243 127 2.89 3.75
    BFellr 3827 1224 122 3.48 4.00
    Rbrts 5386 1621 111 2.97 4.21
    Sphn 5243 1554 118 3.44 4.02
    Last edited by bagwell368; 02-05-2009 at 10:11 AM.

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    Maddux, Clemens, Pedro/Seaver

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    id say maddux and clemens

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    pedro


    METS, KNICKS

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    Career: Randy Johnson
    Prime: Pedro
    Carlos Beltran 2014 Stats:
    33 Games | .307 wOBA | .240 BABIP | 5 HRs | 14 Runs | 15 RBIs


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    PEDROWWW MARTEENEZZZZ.

    He gets my vote.

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    inning per inning Pedro blasts everyone. problem is that he didn't pitch that many innings total or that many innings in any given year. Clemens was about 143/154th as good as Pedro on a per inning basis - but he pitched over 2100 more innings, which is why he saved so many more runs then Pedro.

    BTW, I listed them in the way that I value them. You guys should read up on Grove, he's the first great live ball pitcher IMO, and pitched for what i think is the greatest team in history - 1931 A's.
    Last edited by bagwell368; 02-07-2009 at 10:15 AM.

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    One of Seaver, Pedro, or Maddux. It's tough to judge because of the eras they pitched in.
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    In reality, the top 3-4 pitchers on this list are so good its very tough to list them in any particular order...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nymetsrule View Post
    In reality, the top 3-4 pitchers on this list are so good its very tough to list them in any particular order...
    pretty much. i think the top 5 guys on the list - stuck Pedro on top on purpose are well ahead of the next 5 or any other guys anyone wants to discuss (Koufax, Ryan, Perry, etc.)

    I think I like that rotation:

    Roger
    Randy
    Pedro
    Maddux
    Grove - give him some days off...

    give me Lugo at every position, and a pen to match the SP's and they would clobber anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinobiNYC View Post
    Career: Randy Johnson
    Prime: Pedro
    I agree with the prime being Pedro.

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    pedro
    clemens
    maddux
    one of those 3.

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    Must be the steroid backlash. If Pedro had a stand in follow his career with another 2200 of leauge average pitching (not replacement - average), he'd be 800 runs less saved then Roger when they had the same IP.

    Given the way Pedro is going now, his fancy rate stats are going to go right down the drain

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    Roger Clemens
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