Chipper Jones vs. George Brett

[Fly]

Who had the better career?

[ugafan]

I think George Brett

[bagwell368]

George was a better fielder, and as long as you adjust for the era, Brett has him.

[Jeffy25]

Brett

[todu82]

George Brett

[Jeffy25]

This one probably isn't going to end up in Chipper's favor.

Chipper is one of the better third basemen ever, but he is still behind Brett

[STL Don]

I'm going to feel confident about my choice without even looking up George Brett's stats.
And no poll.... George Brett.

[Stress]

is this some kind of sick joke?

George Brett.
One of the greatest baseball players EVER.
Jones has had a really good career but he's really not even in the same class.

[Jeffy25]

is this some kind of sick joke?

George Brett.
One of the greatest baseball players EVER.
Jones has had a really good career but he's really not even in the same class.

Brett

.305/.369/.487, .374 wOBA, 133 wRC+, 135 OPS+
80.4 oWAR
1.2 dWAR
47.0 UZR
84.0 rWAR
91.6 fWAR

11624 PA

made 23.5 million in his career

Jones
.304/.402/.532, .399 wOBA, 142 wRC+, 141 OPS+
82.5 oWAR
dWAR -1.4
-40.6 UZR
80.1 rWAR
88.7 fWAR

10296 PA

Made 156 million

Anyone that is laughing at this comparison I'm guessing didn't even bother to look at their numbers in their respective careers.

Jones murders Brett offensively (even after adjusting for the era), and Brett was the better defender by a bit throughout their careers. I'm leaning Brett, but after taking a closer look, it very well might be Chipper.


In the end, I'm leaning Brett, but my God Chipper is right there.

[bagwell368]

Jones murders Brett offensively (even after adjusting for the era), and Brett was the better defender by a bit throughout their careers. I'm leaning Brett, but after taking a closer look, it very well might be Chipper.

In the end, I'm leaning Brett, but my God Chipper is right there.

It is close, but how does Chipper murder Brett offensively?

Adjusted slash:

CJ: .297/.393/.518
GB: .313/.377/.499

That's an edge for Jones, but wait. Brett has more PA's and when you take the adjusted RC's and divide, Jones is 2.3% ahead of Brett - that's not murder that's edge. But Brett has 2040 RC's and Jones has 1796 - that's an edge as well.

At 3B alone, Brett has a +54 rTot and Jones a -13, which goes a long way to canceling out the rate advantage Jones has as of now.

Brett has as of now 4.1 more rWAR, but he played longer then Jones. That's more then Jones can make up in a year.

Not a huge difference between them, got to go with Brett for now.

[Jeffy25]

It is close, but how does Chipper murder Brett offensively?

Adjusted slash:

CJ: .297/.393/.518
GB: .313/.377/.499

That's an edge for Jones, but wait. Brett has more PA's and when you take the adjusted RC's and divide, Jones is 2.3% ahead of Brett - that's not murder that's edge. But Brett has 2040 RC's and Jones has 1796 - that's an edge as well.

At 3B alone, Brett has a +54 rTot and Jones a -13, which goes a long way to canceling out the rate advantage Jones has as of now.

Brett has as of now 4.1 more rWAR, but he played longer then Jones. That's more then Jones can make up in a year.

Not a huge difference between them, got to go with Brett for now.

How about this, neutralized runs created by each player offensively.

wRC
George Brett - 1800 in 11,624 PA
Chipper Jones - 1864 in 10,321 PA

This is league, era, and park adjusted and Chipper did pretty clearly out hit Brett.

But Brett saved about 500 more runs defensively than Jones did. Which is why the edge remains with Brett, but Jones is certainly close.

Chipper will retire with about 10,500 PA, a full 1000 behind Brett. He was certainly a better hitter than Brett, but his defense lacked more than enough behind Brett.

[bagwell368]

wRC
George Brett - 1800 in 11,624 PA
Chipper Jones - 1864 in 10,321 PA

This is league, era, and park adjusted and Chipper did pretty clearly out hit Brett.

wRC+ you mean? Yeah that's better than nRC in BR. Basically you can't go wrong with either guy, and they are mid->top tier HoF'ers, well above scraping the barrel guys.

[Pinstripe power]

George Brett

[Twinke Masta]

oops double post, slow internet

[Twinke Masta]

Brett