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    Does Nadal surpass Federer in Grand Slams?

    You think Nadal surpasses Federer in Grand Slams?

    Federer has 16 while Nadal has 11. Federer got his 11th just before his 26th while Nadal just turned 26th. Federer last won when he was 28th years old.
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    Ask me this at the end of this season...He has a shot, but Djoko is standing in his way right now.

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    If Nole didn't suddenly become a phenom, Nadal would've. Heck, he (Nadal) could've had the calendar grand slam last year.
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    it all depends on Nole. I think he has to get a min of 2 slams a year for the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby View Post
    it all depends on Nole. I think he has to get a min of 2 slams a year for the next year.
    Yeah. AO and USO.
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    deppends on two factors.

    1 federer NOT WINNING MORE

    2 Being able to mantain his shape 4 more years ( doubtfull ,he relys to much on his phisic)

    four more paris and two from the rest ( wimbledons most probably) .
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    Novak came out of nowhere and he's the main challenge. But I mean that's how competition works.

    Federer would have won more had it not been for Nadal on clay. Samprass and Agassi would have won more had Gustavo Kuerten not been so good on Clay. Borg, McEnroe and Connors all live in the same era too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    Novak came out of nowhere and he's the main challenge. But I mean that's how competition works.

    Federer would have won more had it not been for Nadal on clay. Samprass and Agassi would have won more had Gustavo Kuerten not been so good on Clay. Borg, McEnroe and Connors all live in the same era too.
    Meh. Fed won a lot because there weren't any serious competition. Hewitt? Meh. Safin? Meh. Roddick? Meh. Others? Meh. Nobody had what it took to compete with Fed back then.

    I agree though, Fed might've already have over 20 GS titles if it weren't for Nadal (alone).

    Also, this situation's different because what we have are Nadal and Nole at their primes. Back then, Nadal was still an emerging and raw talent (even though he won the FO at an early age) challenging a prime Fed. When Nadal reached his prime, Fed was already on the decline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    Novak came out of nowhere and he's the main challenge. But I mean that's how competition works.

    Federer would have won more had it not been for Nadal on clay. Samprass and Agassi would have won more had Gustavo Kuerten not been so good on Clay. Borg, McEnroe and Connors all live in the same era too.
    Whoa! Sampras would've won more had it not been for Kuerten? His best result in France was a semifinal, which he did only once. Guga wasn't a factor for Sampras. He was out in the 3rd round or earlier at Roland Garros 9 out of the 13 times he played there. The guy just couldn't play on clay.

    As far as Agassi, he'd have had more if he'd have had his head on straight early in his career. Should've beat Gomez in the hair weave match, would've beat Courier the following year if not for a rain delay and a coaching job by Higueras. He also skipped Wimbledons and Australian Opens early in his career because of travel and other reasons. He only played the Australian 9 times and won it 4, he may have got the monkey off his back down there very early in his career and started rolling the Slams if he hadn't skipped it for 8 years.

    Lots of factors at play for both guys, but Kuerten wasn't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    Whoa! Sampras would've won more had it not been for Kuerten? His best result in France was a semifinal, which he did only once. Guga wasn't a factor for Sampras. He was out in the 3rd round or earlier at Roland Garros 9 out of the 13 times he played there. The guy just couldn't play on clay.

    As far as Agassi, he'd have had more if he'd have had his head on straight early in his career. Should've beat Gomez in the hair weave match, would've beat Courier the following year if not for a rain delay and a coaching job by Higueras. He also skipped Wimbledons and Australian Opens early in his career because of travel and other reasons. He only played the Australian 9 times and won it 4, he may have got the monkey off his back down there very early in his career and started rolling the Slams if he hadn't skipped it for 8 years.

    Lots of factors at play for both guys, but Kuerten wasn't one of them.
    The former #1 and 3 time clay champion ruled clay for a short period of time. There was also many other clay players in the way of Agassi and Sampras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    The former #1 and 3 time clay champion ruled clay for a short period of time. There was also many other clay players in the way of Agassi and Sampras.
    There was more parody in the game then, yes, I agree with that. But to say that Kuerten was the reason Sampras never won the French is entirely false. If Kuerten and the entire country of Spain had missed the French he'd still never have won it.

    To say that he kept Agassi from winning more is also false. His reign at Roland Garros was impressive, but very brief in comparison to what Nadal did. Agassi had his chances to win it multiple without Guga's interference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    There was more parody in the game then, yes, I agree with that. But to say that Kuerten was the reason Sampras never won the French is entirely false. If Kuerten and the entire country of Spain had missed the French he'd still never have won it.

    To say that he kept Agassi from winning more is also false. His reign at Roland Garros was impressive, but very brief in comparison to what Nadal did. Agassi had his chances to win it multiple without Guga's interference.
    I'm not saying he was the only reason. And not just for Sampras. I'm just saying he was one of the best clay players of that time and he made it harder for players such as Samprass, Aggassi and everyone else to win during that short span. Not to mention there were other good players on clay at that time.

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    If Nadal surpasses Federer's record is Nadal the GOAT? lets exclude Laver in this because the game was extremely different back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibby View Post
    If Nadal surpasses Federer's record is Nadal the GOAT? lets exclude Laver in this because the game was extremely different back then.
    Like Raps said, he needs more non clay GS's. Like a lot more. He only has 2 hard court GS, and 2 Wimbledon. He is by far the greatest clay courter, but not the best all-time unless he wins...at least 1 more US and AUS.

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    Depends on where Nadal wins it. If like the next 5 out of 7 is on clay, nah.

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