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    Benn was the dirty guy... Louie Eriksson was the other guy you're thinking of I believe.

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    Fair enough, they also had Neal until the deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsi View Post
    If the goalie sees it, he'll save it or control the rebound.
    Magically, just like that, if he sees it he prevents all rebounds? You should get a job as a goaltending coach. You'd be rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dashripdot View Post
    Magically, just like that, if he sees it he prevents all rebounds? You should get a job as a goaltending coach. You'd be rich.
    Yes it is that simple....goalies that let unobstructed shots from the point in or don't have control of the rebound aren't NHL goalies. NHL goalies get to be NHL goalies by controlling rebounds, the only time they generally have a problem with controlling rebounds is when the shot is in close, its' tipped, he has to move quickly from one side to the other, or he can't see it. Thanks for your endorsement but I am already coaching, and yes part of my coaching includes working with the goalies. I'm not rich yet but since you believe I will be I'll be set. Sarcasm is a great way to turn a normal conversation into a rock fight FYI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsi View Post
    Yes it is that simple....goalies that let unobstructed shots from the point in or don't have control of the rebound aren't NHL goalies. NHL goalies get to be NHL goalies by controlling rebounds, the only time they generally have a problem with controlling rebounds is when the shot is in close, its' tipped, he has to move quickly from one side to the other, or he can't see it. Thanks for your endorsement but I am already coaching, and yes part of my coaching includes working with the goalies. I'm not rich yet but since you believe I will be I'll be set. Sarcasm is a great way to turn a normal conversation into a rock fight FYI.
    Lundqvist lets in more than his fair share of unobstructed shots from the point over his glove hand and often has trouble controlling rebounds on other shots. So he's not an NHL-caliber goalie? Every goaltender has a weakness and they are not all the same. My point was that screens aren't the only answer to scoring on the PP. While Lundqvist has the above-menitioned weaknesses, he also sees the puck through screens much better than most NHL netminders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dashripdot View Post
    Lundqvist lets in more than his fair share of unobstructed shots from the point over his glove hand and often has trouble controlling rebounds on other shots. So he's not an NHL-caliber goalie? Every goaltender has a weakness and they are not all the same. My point was that screens aren't the only answer to scoring on the PP. While Lundqvist has the above-menitioned weaknesses, he also sees the puck through screens much better than most NHL netminders.
    Are you seriously saying Lundqvist gets beat consistantly from the point with nobody in front of him?

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    Rangers are exploring trade options for Ryan, Nash, Enstrom and Weber.
    I don't know about you guys but adding Enstrom to this team for offense would be huge, back to back 50 point seasons and was on pace for 40+ the year he got hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsi View Post
    Are you seriously saying Lundqvist gets beat consistantly from the point with nobody in front of him?
    Shoot high to the glove side and you have a very good chance of scoring on him. He has "alligator-arm" on that shot; I know he's guarding against the shot between his arm and body, but the Sens and Caps picked on it to good effect in the playoffs and those aren't the only times he's had trouble with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dashripdot View Post
    Shoot high to the glove side and you have a very good chance of scoring on him. He has "alligator-arm" on that shot; I know he's guarding against the shot between his arm and body, but the Sens and Caps picked on it to good effect in the playoffs and those aren't the only times he's had trouble with it.
    I dont think you watch hockey with that observation. Henrik had an under 2 GAA in both of those series. I am pretty sure if he had problems with something he would have a much higher GAA then that.

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    Commonsense, I think Dashripot watches just listen to NBC intermissions/post games too much. In the playoffs Hank got beat over the glove by Spezza, Ovi, Kovi, and big goals so they stick out in peoples mind. Then you remember Semin last year in Ot after the horrible pass up the wall by Staal, or the shot that Federov beat him with to eliminate them. But look at the shooters that beat him over the glove, goal scorers where goal scorers love to shoot. Plus hes so good down low that he does get beat high more. They block so msny low shots that shooters have to elevate the puck to get past the shot blockers let alone Hank.

    But NBC made a big deal about it in the post season and that segment drove me nuts. As well as every time he let one in over the glove after it the "See there it is again comments from them again". Yet every goalie segment was the same gotta get bodies to the net and pucks up high, this goalie is so good the pucks shot low or they have a clear view of the puck". They talked about it like it was goalies from back before my time, when goalies were awful and where not every player can shoot the puck top sheft (they all may not score there but even the fighters have the skill to shoot there).

    Sorry for the rant but other then losing to the Devils, not having MSG cover the post season was the worst part of it. Not they have the best coverage to the game but other then Weekes and JR, I wanted to punch them all in the face, even Milbury who Im greatful for destroying the Islanders the way he did. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by commonsense12 View Post
    I dont think you watch hockey with that observation. Henrik had an under 2 GAA in both of those series. I am pretty sure if he had problems with something he would have a much higher GAA then that.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by commonsense12 View Post
    I dont think you watch hockey with that observation. Henrik had an under 2 GAA in both of those series. I am pretty sure if he had problems with something he would have a much higher GAA then that.
    No, I don't watch ... only every game; what were you watching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isca92 View Post
    Commonsense, I think Dashripot watches just listen to NBC intermissions/post games too much. In the playoffs Hank got beat over the glove by Spezza, Ovi, Kovi, and big goals so they stick out in peoples mind. Then you remember Semin last year in Ot after the horrible pass up the wall by Staal, or the shot that Federov beat him with to eliminate them. But look at the shooters that beat him over the glove, goal scorers where goal scorers love to shoot. Plus hes so good down low that he does get beat high more. They block so msny low shots that shooters have to elevate the puck to get past the shot blockers let alone Hank.

    But NBC made a big deal about it in the post season and that segment drove me nuts. As well as every time he let one in over the glove after it the "See there it is again comments from them again". Yet every goalie segment was the same gotta get bodies to the net and pucks up high, this goalie is so good the pucks shot low or they have a clear view of the puck". They talked about it like it was goalies from back before my time, when goalies were awful and where not every player can shoot the puck top sheft (they all may not score there but even the fighters have the skill to shoot there).

    Sorry for the rant but other then losing to the Devils, not having MSG cover the post season was the worst part of it. Not they have the best coverage to the game but other then Weekes and JR, I wanted to punch them all in the face, even Milbury who Im greatful for destroying the Islanders the way he did. Lol
    Actually, I changed the channel between periods. I don't care what homers like Jones and Roenick and Milbury have to say. If my eyes deceived me watching every game and I have a jaundiced opinion based on my own observations, then I stand corrected. But I'll stick with what I've got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dashripdot View Post
    Actually, I changed the channel between periods. I don't care what homers like Jones and Roenick and Milbury have to say. If my eyes deceived me watching every game and I have a jaundiced opinion based on my own observations, then I stand corrected. But I'll stick with what I've got.
    Yeah you are way off base with your observation. To say teams who did not average 2 goals against henrik picked on his glove is just silly. Henrik is one of if not the best goalie in the league and his stats have proven it for the last few yrs. If you want to pick on something about him go after his stick handling because he is not great in that, thats for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commonsense12 View Post
    Yeah you are way off base with your observation. To say teams who did not average 2 goals against henrik picked on his glove is just silly. Henrik is one of if not the best goalie in the league and his stats have proven it for the last few yrs. If you want to pick on something about him go after his stick handling because he is not great in that, thats for sure.
    Agree. Never said he wasn't. I was pointing out one of his weaknesses and, yes, another is his stick-handling. Even the best at any position have weaknesses, but stats don't tell you what those weaknesses are, so the stat, while relevant to his overall performance, is irrelevant for this discussion.

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