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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bleedB&G View Post
    Really top the salary cap is a non issue, K
    He never said that, he said the only argument that keeps coming up about Nash is his cap hit.

    Can some besides one come up with a different reason besides 30 goals? Kessel scored that in a season still didnt help us win a cup. When did scoring 30 goals in a season guaranty a great playoff performance?
    He instantly improves the PP and can help Seguin mature into an elite center. No one is saying that 30 goals in a season guarantees a great playoff performance. Look at Nash over his career though, when he has been able to perform in a playoff situation, he delivers.

    how many years did Joe T get 100 points in the season and then nothing in the playoffs?
    So because it happened with Joe Thornton it will happen with every superstar? Kovalchuk (37 goals) & Giroux (28 goals) both are having/had pretty solid playoff performances.

    I want guys with smaller contracts so we don't have all our eggs in one basket....rather have a different hero every night then one guy that defenses will shut down in the playoffs
    But you want to Sign Suter for $6+ million? Here the only problem with having a different hero every night. You're hoping and pray that someone comes out and is that hero. With a guy like Nash, you expect him to that guy on a nightly bases.

    That's why the cap matters so much. With his cap hit you can have two peverlys, and if you add that up it's about 40 goals, plus they play pk, take draws and when your in the lead you want to play them
    But you need to get in the lead first right? How is Peverley about 20 goals? He's maybe about 15 goals and has a hard time playing a full season (done it once)

    Nash at 7.8 mill you don't really want him to block shots because if he gets hurt you have a 7.8 million dollar hole, and at the same time if you get him you cant get those types of players to help you.

    So the argument really comes down to do you want 1 player at 7.8 or two?
    What are you talking about? what types of players can we not get because of Nash contract?


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    I'm sayin we would be better off spending that 7.8 million on two players than on just one

    Nash had 1 playoff year....not much to go by

    Suter at 6 is cheaper than Nash at 7.8 plus you can never have enough good D

    We didn't have a guy at 7.8 million and we found ways to get into the lead last playoffs. NJ and LA don't have guys at 7.8 and the get leads. Why is it that everybody thinks the easiest and best way to solve our goalie problem is to get this one guy?

    Do all of you go to the casino and just bet on one number at roulette? I mean if he doesn't work out we are screwed with him. I like spreading my bets around smaller wins but better chances

    Your hoping next year a smart defensive team won't say oh Boston is a one trick pony just defend Nash.....and we have no secondary scoring because we couldn't afford it.

    You don't understand my point about Joe T your taking a huge risk and he might turn out to be like him. I don't want to take that risk

    Honestly I believe a defense will always beat an offense so IF you want to spend money I'd always spend it on D

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneManIsNoMan View Post
    He never said that, he said the only argument that keeps coming up about Nash is his cap hit.
    And I keep on repeating, his cap hit plus the length of that contract makes it a terrible contract to absorb. These "only" reasons are huge and critical in why we shouldn't pursue Nash.

    He instantly improves the PP and can help Seguin mature into an elite center. No one is saying that 30 goals in a season guarantees a great playoff performance. Look at Nash over his career though, when he has been able to perform in a playoff situation, he delivers.
    How does he instantly improve the powerplay? We're assuming here now, gambling with 7.8 million dollars until 2018. He certainly didn't look too hot with Jeff Carter either. His only playoff appearance didn't go well for him and I wouldn't put too much stock into his WC performances, because well, it is Canada.

    So because it happened with Joe Thornton it will happen with every superstar? Kovalchuk (37 goals) & Giroux (28 goals) both are having/had pretty solid playoff performances.
    I agree with you on this one. Not sure what BG was getting at with that one.

    But you want to Sign Suter for $6+ million? Here the only problem with having a different hero every night. You're hoping and pray that someone comes out and is that hero. With a guy like Nash, you expect him to that guy on a nightly bases.
    He better be that guy at 7.8 million. That's where his performances measure up. What would you expect from a 7.8 million player? I'm curious.

    But you need to get in the lead first right? How is Peverley about 20 goals? He's maybe about 15 goals and has a hard time playing a full season (done it once)

    What are you talking about? what types of players can we not get because of Nash contract?
    Well a lot of players actually. Even if we're assuming we're trading Lucic from the big club, we are still sacrificing roughly 4 million dollars to replace an already capable 1st line winger. That's a top 6 forward or a top 4 defensemen.

    I feel like we're beating a dead horse. You guys have strong feelings about Nash as a player in that you would be willing to sacrifice 1/8 of the cap for him. We think otherwise. It really doesn't make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeelyforPres View Post
    When has a team ever gotten what they were "reportedly asking for"?
    Yeah, and the story is pretty much all the same. The team doesn't acquire the player because it didn't make sense to pull the deal.

    Another thing to bring into discussion is the fact that other teams will be competing for the trade. Some team will overpay for him unnecessarily. I hope it's not us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bleedB&G View Post
    I'm sayin we would be better off spending that 7.8 million on two players than on just one
    That's always been our MO, ya we won the Stanley Cup last season but how long (with this plans) did it take to win it?

    Nash had 1 playoff year....not much to go by
    Exactly but when you look over his career of OHL, Olymipcs, European, he produces when it counts.

    Suter at 6 is cheaper than Nash at 7.8 plus you can never have enough good D
    But he does what Chara does, Nash does something no one else on this team does.

    We didn't have a guy at 7.8 million and we found ways to get into the lead last playoffs. NJ and LA don't have guys at 7.8 and the get leads. Why is it that everybody thinks the easiest and best way to solve our goalie problem is to get this one guy?
    Last playoffs we had Rex, Ryder and guys like Krejci who actually performed. You are correct that LA & NJ don't have guys signed to $7.8 million contract but guess what....Kopitar $6.8 million, Doughty $7 million. New Jersey doesn't have a true $7 million player (unless they re-sign Parise this year). But still they have three guys making a good amount of money: Kovalchuk $6.6 million, Parise $6 million, Elias $6 million.

    I'll say it again with the right pieces around a high paid player you can be successful. Boston has the pieces in place to do this.

    Do all of you go to the casino and just bet on one number at roulette? I mean if he doesn't work out we are screwed with him. I like spreading my bets around smaller wins but better chances
    Actually I hate roulette (dumbest game you can play), I'm more of a ultimate poker guy.

    Your hoping next year a smart defensive team won't say oh Boston is a one trick pony just defend Nash.....and we have no secondary scoring because we couldn't afford it.
    No secondary scoring? Really? are we trading every player we have for Rick Nash? Seguin (29), Marchand (28), Lucic (26), Krejci (23) & Bergeron (22). Obviously Krejci or Lucic would be moved but you're right we have no secondary scoring at all.

    You don't understand my point about Joe T your taking a huge risk and he might turn out to be like him. I don't want to take that risk
    No one becomes great by playing it safe. Look at the world most successful people, they all took a risk as some point.

    Honestly I believe a defense will always beat an offense so IF you want to spend money I'd always spend it on D
    How did that work out for the Rangers or better yet how'd that work out for Nashville?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaiza90 View Post
    Yeah, and the story is pretty much all the same. The team doesn't acquire the player because it didn't make sense to pull the deal.

    Another thing to bring into discussion is the fact that other teams will be competing for the trade. Some team will overpay for him unnecessarily. I hope it's not us.
    How many teams are on Nash's list? I think it's only 4 NYR, BOS, TOR & LA (IIRC). Kings have no need for him, I think Toronto is going to make a big move in the off-season in the form of a goalie. That really leaves us and the Rangers. the Rangers made a serious run at him at the trade deadline. With them falling short of a Stanley Cup Finals appearance I'd expect them to revisit the idea.

    Like I've said I'm all for getting Rick Nash but I'm not going to throw everything I have at Columbus to try and acquire him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaiza90 View Post
    Yeah, and the story is pretty much all the same. The team doesn't acquire the player because it didn't make sense to pull the deal.

    Another thing to bring into discussion is the fact that other teams will be competing for the trade. Some team will overpay for him unnecessarily. I hope it's not us.
    I think we will get karmic retribution for the steaming pile of poop joe Thornton trade.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NeelyforPres View Post
    I think we will get karmic retribution for the steaming pile of poop joe Thornton trade.

    awesome.
    i was still mad about that trade til we won the cup
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    i would just try to sign semin or parise. semin might come at slightly less than his 6.7 million due to 2 years of only 54 points in a row. if anything i think he'll stay at the same contract, it certainly wont be going up. the b's dont have to give up anything for these guys either. with one of these two and horton coming back the bruins would be a force. the physicality would still be there along with added skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneManIsNoMan View Post
    That's always been our MO, ya we won the Stanley Cup last season but how long (with this plans) did it take to win it?



    Exactly but when you look over his career of OHL, Olymipcs, European, he produces when it counts.



    But he does what Chara does, Nash does something no one else on this team does.



    Last playoffs we had Rex, Ryder and guys like Krejci who actually performed. You are correct that LA & NJ don't have guys signed to $7.8 million contract but guess what....Kopitar $6.8 million, Doughty $7 million. New Jersey doesn't have a true $7 million player (unless they re-sign Parise this year). But still they have three guys making a good amount of money: Kovalchuk $6.6 million, Parise $6 million, Elias $6 million.

    I'll say it again with the right pieces around a high paid player you can be successful. Boston has the pieces in place to do this.



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    No secondary scoring? Really? are we trading every player we have for Rick Nash? Seguin (29), Marchand (28), Lucic (26), Krejci (23) & Bergeron (22). Obviously Krejci or Lucic would be moved but you're right we have no secondary scoring at all.



    No one becomes great by playing it safe. Look at the world most successful people, they all took a risk as some point.


    How did that work out for the Rangers or better yet how'd that work out for Nashville?
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    2nd dairy scoring is line 3 and 4

    We have our team that won a cup two years ago, we could give them another chance and add pieces that we missed this year....like Horton

    Nashville got beat because they tried to play skilled style against yotes and got burned by it. If they played their system it would have been different

    Ny Richards gaborick callahan all didn't show up. They had to go to 3 game 7s wtf happened to the big pay stars?

    Joe T to explain my point is a great season player like Nash. I don't want to trade my depth for a guy I hope will succeed in the playoffs. There is nothing like the NHL playoffs
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bleedB&G View Post
    Lol about ultimate poker I like it to
    2nd dairy scoring is line 3 and 4

    We have our team that won a cup two years ago, we could give them another chance and add pieces that we missed this year....like Horton
    Ok so we shouldn't trade Thomas and he can start 60 games? Seguin goes back to 3rd line winger. We'd need to bring back Ryder for 3rd line LW, Kaberle for 3rd pairing and ask Rex to come out of retirement. This team while 85% the same is not the same team that won the cup. I know I rip on Thomas but he's a HUGE reason we won the cup. Without his insane performance we probably don't make it past Tampa Bay. Boston got hot at the right time and just like LA is right now, they rode it till the end.

    Nashville got beat because they tried to play skilled style against yotes and got burned by it. If they played their system it would have been different
    But they had a killer defense and according to you a defense will ALWAYS beat an offense.

    Ny Richards gaborick callahan all didn't show up. They had to go to 3 game 7s wtf happened to the big pay stars?
    Richards had a pretty solid playoffs, Gabby was slightly off but still posted a 5/6/11 in the playoffs and Callahan was 6/4/10. New York problem was that they took a beating all season (everyone raved about their shot blocking) and after a while that style is going to wear on anyone (see start of the B's this season).

    Joe T to explain my point is a great season player like Nash. I don't want to trade my depth for a guy I hope will succeed in the playoffs. There is nothing like the NHL playoffs
    I'm not sure why you're sticking with comparing Nash to Jumbo Joe. They are two different players with different styles. Not to mention Nash has had little opportunity to perform in the playoffs, thus making it highly unfair to knock is playoff performance. In the short amount of games he played Nash was affect in the playoffs (4GP/ 1G / 2A / 3Pts).

    What depth are you talking about trading? In my proposal, I'm trading Lucic (get replaced by Nash) a prospect (not depth), 2012 1st (again not depth) and Caron (bounced between NHL and AHL last season). Where is the depth in this? If I was trading something like Krejci, Peverley, McQuaid & 1st then ok I can see depth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bleedB&G View Post
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    2nd dairy scoring is line 3 and 4

    We have our team that won a cup two years ago, we could give them another chance and add pieces that we missed this year....like Horton

    Nashville got beat because they tried to play skilled style against yotes and got burned by it. If they played their system it would have been different

    Ny Richards gaborick callahan all didn't show up. They had to go to 3 game 7s wtf happened to the big pay stars?

    Joe T to explain my point is a great season player like Nash. I don't want to trade my depth for a guy I hope will succeed in the playoffs. There is nothing like the NHL playoffs
    You have fought long and hard good sir. Can you just admit that Nash would be a huge pick up for the Bruins?

    In response to the bolded - the Rangers stars were outplayed by the Devils stars. You see? We don't have a player of that caliber do we?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaiza90 View Post
    I feel like we're beating a dead horse. You guys have strong feelings about Nash as a player in that you would be willing to sacrifice 1/8 of the cap for him. We think otherwise. It really doesn't make sense.
    If you're saying it doesn't makes sense keep debating Rick Nash, I completely agree with you. At this point we should just wait and see what happens with him.


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    Hi Neely

    With your line up One we have no 3rd 4th line scoring.

    I know your smart one man, when I speak of the team; I speak of our stars, we still have those. We just never replaced Ryders scoring, we tried with Pou didn't work

    We never replaced rexs leadership

    TT played a lot more than he should of

    Oh and McQ was never replace

    Oh and Horton was never replaced

    Kaberle was replaced by Corvo.....

    Pevs and Kelly never played with each other

    But all that doesn't matter, Nash will solve all

    Like I don't understand we held pat after losing to Philly, we won it the next year. We had the best November ever, we got killed with injuries after. How do you people figure this team needs major changes. We need health and depth so if/when injuries happen we could get players to step in and replace guys.

    Caron can become a top line winger
    Sauve can become a very good 3rd liner
    Spooner and knight can be the depth we need incase of injuries

    Horton will come back healthy

    Or Nash can get 40 goals in the season and then get shut out in the playoffs. All you have to do is play defense against our top two lines the rest will not be a danger.

    Getting nash turns us into every other team that has not won the cup. One two line wonder

    And Nashville got out defensed by Yotes, Yotes got beat by LA's 4 lines. hard to defend against 4 lines always attacking

    Rangers had 4d they played all playoffs, and their stars DID NOTHING that's why they never won 4 straight games. Oh but wait your telling me there are 20 other players on the team that make a difference?
    So putting all your hopes on a better offense in one player seems a bit crazy no?
    You need a great team to win and if we could spread the money around to get great third line 4th line players we will score more in the playoffs. One guy can only play 15 minutes a game and will be targeted by the other team, a great team will play 60+ and target the opponents strengths

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeelyforPres View Post
    You have fought long and hard good sir. Can you just admit that Nash would be a huge pick up for the Bruins?

    In response to the bolded - the Rangers stars were outplayed by the Devils stars. You see? We don't have a player of that caliber do we?
    I'll admit Nash would be huge if you admit there are other cheaper ways to fixing our scoring problem

    The cheaper devil stars out played the more expensive ranger stars....yes I will admit that. And we do have those caliber players there names are Bergeron Marchand Krejci Horton and Seguin

    Lucic who should be there is a ****ing *****, but I want to keep him for this year because his contract is up and he will play like an animal for his new one

    Bergs was injured

    Marchand is only good when he can have bigger lines push the other team around, so he then couldget under their skin. We had no grit that's why Marchand didn't play like himself

    Horton.

    Seguin realized in only game 6 and 7 what it takes to win, also CJ never played Luc Kre and Seg together which was a huge mistake on his part

    I think we have our stars we just need to add some pieces on the third line and a defender (I really don't want suter but if you have to spend money I would rather him over Nash) but that's it

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