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    Quote Originally Posted by ottograham14 View Post
    Saw this on another forum and thought it was pretty interesting.
    Thats Ogs in the pic. Very interesting stats. Thanks for sharing.
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    I like Shurmur, I really do. But to go along with having maybe the youngest and most inexperienced team in the NFL he is making a lot of head-scratching decisions and questionable play calling. It seems like every week there is a moment or two that when he has a decision to make it goes horribly wrong.

    I'm guessing he'll be sent packing in early January and hopefully he gets a couple more wins before he leaves. There is a good group of players on this roster, their identity is changing with Weeden and Richardson, and it looks like all of them are playing for their coach. But on a weekly basis the Browns are getting out-coached. They are going to need a breath of fresh air at the top and I really don't care whether it's a household name or a college assistant. As long as they can earn the respect of the players and out-smart the competition every now and then I'd be happy.

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    Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton86
    Another can't-miss @ JasonLaCanfora earlier on @ BullandFox talking # Browns, possible Haslam coaching targets & more http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/jason-la- canfora-talks-coaching-candidates-should-haslam-ma ke-changes/

    Link of Jason LaCanfora talking about HC candidates for the Browns after Shurumur.


    Summary for those who can't access it:

    1. Joe Banner will most likely step in almost immediately after Haslam takes over team here shortly.

    2. Haslam will try to lure Jon Gruden (Who Haslam loves) or Cowher but neither will ultimately accept the job.

    3. Doesn't see Dungy or Herm Edwards as interested candidates.

    4. See most likely candidates as Jay Gruden (Bengals Offensive Coordinator) or Todd Bowles (Eagles Defensive Backs coach).

    5. Says if the Browns don't get the big name they are looking for, they may opt the high quality coordinator route (ala Rooney method) and Gruden/Bowles would be high up on that list.

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    I would not mind Jay Gruden. Yes he is another OC coordinator that besides the Arena and CFL does not have HC'ing experience in the NFL but he is very creative with what they do in Cincinnati and he also runs his own style of the WCO where the terminology would still be the same for these players but he could add his vertical play calling to this team instead of the dink and dunk old WCO that is being run now. Even though a lot of that happens due to the Brownies WR's not being able to get down field normally or seperation.

    He is a very fiery guy that has youth on his side and I think would be good for a young team like this to grow with. Also he reminds me a lot of an Offensive minded Mike Tomlin for some reason. I don't think Haslem is going to be able to lure Cowher or Chucky Gruden to the Browns as he has no ties to either, don't think he would give them the complete control they want, and don't think either would want to take over a team this young and green where if they did come back it would have to be to a team that is close to SB contention IMO.

    Don't know too much about Todd Bowles from Philly but Im assuming his name was brought up just due to the fact that he has ties to Banner from Philly.

    Some other Coordinators they might look at:

    Perry Fewell (DC Giants)
    Mike Zimmer (DC Bengals)
    Kyle Shanahan (OC Redskins)
    Matt McCoy (OC Broncos)
    Rob Chudzinski (OC Panthers)...a fan favorite here for a little bit
    Marty Mornhinweg (OC Eagles)
    Greg Roman (OC 49ers)
    Scott Linehan (OC Lions)
    Brian Schottenheimer (OC Rams)
    Darrell Bevell (OC Seahawks)
    Mel Tucker (DC Jaguars)
    Winston Moss (LB/AHC Packers)

    At least the one thing we can all agree on here on PSD is that Shurmur will not be back after this season unless somehow they win the next 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosar4president View Post
    Take this as you wish, last year everyone was talking about how Newton was on pace to break the all time rookkie passing record. I remember hearing it every week. Well, Weeden is on pace to break Newtons rookie record for passing yards. This is with the 10 or so drops this year. weeden is for real guys. I don't care if he is 28. He is doing with with inexperienced receivers. I surely hope that we do not draft a QB in the first round next year. I really like Amerson out of NC and Mingo out of LSU. Just saying.
    He looks the part of a franchise quarterback. He's big, strong and has an arm that can stretch the field. His 1,288 yards passing is the second most in NFL history by a rookie in his team's first five games (Cam Newton had 1,610 yards).
    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth

    Little behind Newton's pace right now FYI. I hope he doesn't break it because that would mean he is continually throwing more than he should be and also that they continue to be playing from behind. I am hoping from here on out he is only throwing 30-35 times a game tops averaging around 250-300 yards per game. Richardson needs to be getting 20-25 carries a game and 5-10 touches per game in the passing game.

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    Cleveland Browns General Discussion Thread

    Read this article on ESPN about the toughest stadiums to play at. Baltimore was first, Pittsburgh was 3rd, Bengals lost in the middle, and our Cleveland Browns dead last with a winning percentage of .453 at home over the last THREE decades . Sad to read knowing we have such loyal fans.

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    Whoever it is that comes in needs to give the fans hope and continue on what we all know has been built over the last few years. Heckert is putting a great nucleus together but the results just haven't shown up on the field yet.

    I like the idea of either Gruden brother and some of the other names on Otto's list are intriguing. There are a couple other names that might be in the equation. Rick Dennison, OC of the Houston Texans. He played and coached with Kubiak in Denver and followed him to Houston. I'd love to see him bring the zone run blocking scheme to Cleveland and we could watch Richardson go off every week like Arian Foster. The other name that I will throw out there is Marc Trestman of the Montreal Alouttes. Kind of a soft spoken guy and reminds me of Dick Jauron quite a bit but he has quite a track reord of success.

    (Courtesy of wiki, intersting Browns ties)
    Coaching career

    NCAA
    He entered football coaching at the University of Miami in 1981 as a volunteer coach. In 1983 he was named quarterbacks coach. That year quarterback Bernie Kosar passed for 2,329 yards and Miami won the national championship. The next year Kosar completed 262 passes for 3,642 yards, both school records.

    In 2005, he returned to college football as the North Carolina State Wolfpack offensive coordinator, guiding the Wolfpack to a win in the Meineke Car Care Bowl.

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    Trestman moved to the National Football League and coached the running backs with the Minnesota Vikings in 1985 and 1986. He became quarterbacks coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1987 then held the same position with the Cleveland Browns in 1988. In Cleveland he again coached Kosar and the team finished 10–6 and made the playoffs. He was promoted to offensive coordinator in 1989. That year Kosar passed for 3,533 yards and 18 TDs, wide receiver Webster Slaughter had a franchise record 1,236 receiving yards, and the Browns made it to the AFC Championship game.

    In 1990, Trestman returned to Minnesota as quarterbacks coach for the Vikings. He spent two years there and then left coaching for three years.

    He returned to the NFL in 1995 as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator with San Francisco, where he served in that capacity through 1996. The first year he was there the 49ers led the NFL with 457 points scored, 644 pass attempts and 4,779 passing yards.

    Trestman joined the Detroit Lions as quarterbacks coach in 1997. That year Lion's quarterback Scott Mitchell passed for 3,484 yards, second most in team history.

    In 1998 he was with the Arizona Cardinals as quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. That year quarterback Jake Plummer threw for 3,737 yards, and the Cardinals made the playoffs for the first time since 1982 and won their first post season game in 51 years.

    He next went to the Oakland Raiders in 2001 as the quarterbacks coach. In 2002 he was promoted to offensive coordinator and the Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. Under Trestman's guidance, Raiders QB Rich Gannon won the 2002 NFL MVP award as the Raiders reached Super Bowl XXXVII, losing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    Trestman spent the 2004 season with the Miami Dolphins before returning to the college ranks.

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    On December 18, 2007, Trestman was named head coach for the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League. The Alouettes narrowly lost 22–14 to the Calgary Stampeders in the 2008 Grey Cup championship game. At the conclusion of the season, he was nominated for the CFL's Annis Stukus Award as the league's top coach, with Calgary's John Hufnagel winning. On March 5, 2010, Trestman won the Coach of the year award.

    In 2009, Trestman led the Alouettes to win the 2009 Grey Cup, winning with a thrilling field goal with no time left on the clock. After the season, it was announced that he was signed through the 2012 season as the head coach. Trestman also lead the Alouettes to a Grey Cup win in 2010. Under Trestman's guidance, Alouettes QB Anthony Calvillo won back-to-back MVP awards in 2009 and 2010.

    NFL Draft Training Coach
    Trestman worked with André Woodson leading up to the 2008 NFL Draft in an attempt to help improve Woodson's throwing mechanics and draft stock. He has also trained Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, and Jimmy Clausen prior to the NFL drafts.

    Trestman worked extensively with Florida Gators QB Tim Tebow prior to the 2010 NFL Draft. After working to fine-tune Tebow's unique throwing mechanics, Tebow was drafted 25th overall in the 1st round of the NFL draft.

    In 2012, Trestman is training Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weeden leading up to the April NFL Draft.

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    Stonevision that is intriguing that you brought up Trestman as somebody said this in a Browns forum that I am apart of:

    My neighbor's cousin's boyfriend did the HVAC work in Knoxville and was doing work at the Pilot/Flying J headquarters and he said he heard the name Marc Trestman being tossed around in some boardroom in which Haslam was on speaker phone with somebody. He said that Haslam said something about how Trestman has been QB coach or O Coordinator on NFL teams when numerous QBs had career years or set franchise records and he went to the CFL and immediately won 2 Grey Cup titles for a team that had won one title in the previous 31 years.
    Are you apart of OBR too? This is all word of mouth from another poster but that was interesting that you would bring up his name too. I actually Wiki'd his name after reading this comment today and it seems like he is a very good coach at getting the most out of a QB.

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    Phil Taylor injury: Browns DT expected to return to practice next week

    By Jeff Briggs on Oct 11, 12:43p

    Cleveland Browns defensive tackle Phil Taylor is on schedule to return to practice when eligible next week both Mary Kay Cabot and Tony Grossi reported. Taylor was placed on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list due to a torn pectoral muscle and is ineligible to play or practice until after Week 6.

    Head coach Pat Shurmur said Taylor looked great and will return to practice next week. Taylor should resume his starting role once he is ready to take the field.
    http://cleveland.sbnation.com/...rowns-cleveland

    If he is as active as he is on his Twitter account he should be good to go possibly after the bye week IMO. Still will probably need to get his game legs back and there is no need to rush him with how Winn/Hughes have been playing and how the start of the season has gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottograham14 View Post
    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth

    Little behind Newton's pace right now FYI. I hope he doesn't break it because that would mean he is continually throwing more than he should be and also that they continue to be playing from behind. I am hoping from here on out he is only throwing 30-35 times a game tops averaging around 250-300 yards per game. Richardson needs to be getting 20-25 carries a game and 5-10 touches per game in the passing game.
    I agree with the premise you lay out, but I think TRich getting more touches will extend drives and will lead to more total plays, which will then lead back to Weeden having chances to throw the ball.

    I think we really need to feed TRich the ball, but I will not complain if Weeden still attempts this many passes in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottograham14 View Post
    Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton86
    Another can't-miss @ JasonLaCanfora earlier on @ BullandFox talking # Browns, possible Haslam coaching targets & more http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/10/10/jason-la- canfora-talks-coaching-candidates-should-haslam-ma ke-changes/

    Link of Jason LaCanfora talking about HC candidates for the Browns after Shurumur.


    Summary for those who can't access it:

    1. Joe Banner will most likely step in almost immediately after Haslam takes over team here shortly.

    2. Haslam will try to lure Jon Gruden (Who Haslam loves) or Cowher but neither will ultimately accept the job.

    3. Doesn't see Dungy or Herm Edwards as interested candidates.

    4. See most likely candidates as Jay Gruden (Bengals Offensive Coordinator) or Todd Bowles (Eagles Defensive Backs coach).

    5. Says if the Browns don't get the big name they are looking for, they may opt the high quality coordinator route (ala Rooney method) and Gruden/Bowles would be high up on that list.
    I was actually thinking of Jay Gruden as a possibility if we missed out on Chucky. You can't deny what he has done with Dalton and Green, granted Green is a phenomenal talent and Dalton was a 2nd round pick. Still, for Green and Dalton to be sent to the Pro-Bowl in their rookie season is an accomplishment.

    What I am interested in is what they are going to do about the GM. I haven't heard about anything on that front yet. I know Banner is more of a cap specialist and not a talent evaluator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottograham14 View Post
    Stonevision that is intriguing that you brought up Trestman as somebody said this in a Browns forum that I am apart of:



    Are you apart of OBR too? This is all word of mouth from another poster but that was interesting that you would bring up his name too. I actually Wiki'd his name after reading this comment today and it seems like he is a very good coach at getting the most out of a QB.
    I'm not part of the OBR, purely coincidence I guess. But living north of the border I am force-fed CFL highlights when I watch sports highlights. Trestman is seen as a Bill Belichick type in the CFL and I seem to remember him being a finalist in other coaching searches, as recently as the Raiders a year ago. Again, as I said earlier, he's not much of a "rah rah" coach but the league respects his knowledge of the game and he wins games.

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    The draft talk is (once again) beginning again. This really gets old. But when your team is 0-5 it's difficult not to think about the future.
    If the Browns happen to grab the first overall pick should they look to grab a new QB like Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley? Or should they trade down for a LB, WR, and Guard?
    I think it really depends on how new ownership feels about Weeden - they didn't draft him.
    Personally, I'd like to see them trade down as I don't see the QB's in '13 as on the same level as Luck or RG3.
    I'm not going to continue to post this viral for at least a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Stanton View Post
    The draft talk is (once again) beginning again. This really gets old. But when your team is 0-5 it's difficult not to think about the future.
    If the Browns happen to grab the first overall pick should they look to grab a new QB like Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley? Or should they trade down for a LB, WR, and Guard?
    I think it really depends on how new ownership feels about Weeden - they didn't draft him.
    Personally, I'd like to see them trade down as I don't see the QB's in '13 as on the same level as Luck or RG3.
    I'm not going to continue to post this viral for at least a few weeks.
    Nice to see ya back Arch. Don't worry once the Cavs start up we can just stick on that board and talk about thier draft in 2013 after 20 games instead of the Brownies right now. Also that is why we are trying to about coaching candidates now and get away from the draft talk. Either way its still talk about 2013 I guess. Always WAITING FOR NEXT YEAR.

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    Some research I found about how the O-Line has stacked up so far to this point in the season. A lot of it is from Profootballfocus.com.

    OLine: (Team grades include TEs, which in our case reduces the grade)


    Pass blocking – Graded in the top half in the NFL (barely...)

    All offensive linemen have positive pass blocking grades, except Lauvao, shocking.


    Run blocking – Graded in the top 10 in the NFL (barely again)

    Mack is the only O lineman with a positive grade and Pinkston broke even. But everyone else is really close to a positive grades, even Lauavo. Helps with a QB that is getting rid of the ball quicker and also the fact that he has the ability to stand tall in the pocket and step up unlike McCoy that would continue to step back or abandon the pocket. This isn't a QB post though so I'll move on.


    C:
    Mack has all positive grades, good grades, but not great grades. Top ten all centers. Penalties are the only negative with 3.
    Sacks 0
    QB hits 0
    Hurries 4

    OG:
    Pinkston is average; he doesn’t have real bad games or real good ones (so far). Positive games are 2,3,5. He is graded in the top 1/3 of NFL OGs.

    Sacks 0
    QB hits 3
    Hurries 2

    Lauvao is the weakest link and is up and down. All negative overall grade for all games. He sucks less at run blocking. He is almost the worst graded guard in the NFL.

    Sacks 2
    QB hits 4
    Hurries 10

    OT:
    Joe Joe Joe ..... Joe is not in the Top 20 for NFL OT at this time. He first two games are negative and he has 4 penalties. The good news is that he is getting better each game (last game was the best). I think a lot of what was happening in the first couple games is because I have heard that he was hampered by a knee injury and was at 80% but felt he was still good enough to go and lets be honest Joe at 80% is a lot better than most LT's in the league.

    Sacks 1
    QB hits 1
    Hurries 5

    Schwartz, I saved for last because I was most interested in how well he is doing. He is in the middle of the pack for NFL OTs. He has 3 positive games. One really good game (2) and one pretty bad game (1). Last two game are postive. Really liking the progression of this kid. Think he is going to live up to his hype as the best RT prospect from the 2012 draft. Thank you Heck for passing on Massie and Mike Adams.

    Sacks 2
    QB hits 4
    Hurries 7

    Compared to the rest of the NFL:

    OT - One in the top 1/3 (usually top 3), the other in middle of the road and has some the best single game grades.
    OG - One in the top 1/3, the other one of the worst.
    C - Top 10 even with the 3 penalties bringing him down.

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