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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldChamps1908 View Post
    Anyone think we will go after some of the bigger names out there this offseason?
    Depends if Hossa is forced to retire or not. If so, Hawks go big after Parise. If not, only go big after a top d-man and a 2C, then let the kids play. Either Bolland or Kruger will be traded this offseason imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assman22 View Post
    Depends if Hossa is forced to retire or not. If so, Hawks go big after Parise. If not, only go big after a top d-man and a 2C, then let the kids play. Either Bolland or Kruger will be traded this offseason imo.
    If he retired, and at this point I think it's total speculation and unlikely to happen, I don't think they would go after Parise. I think they would try to change the way the team is built. Subing Parise for Hossa would be a pretty lateral move IMO and I think they would be hesitant to sign another long deal. Suter, I could see a little more, because I think they realize they need help on defense. The hawks have 6 guys with a cap hit of 5 million or more. They only have 5 guys making 2-5 million. If they found themselves with some cap room, I think they would be much more likely to try to add several guys in middle in terms of cap hit, than 1 huge cap hit.

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    I think Stan and Co. are playing things very close to the vest right now. It seems Rocky is none too happy with the 2nd consecutive 1st round exit and changes are looming. So taking into account the final presser and some things I've read from the beats and just making some uneducated guesses, my thoughts are as follows:

    1. The Hawks will make a big push for Ryan Suter. He has ties to Chicago and is from nearby Madison, WI. Can only work in our favor right?

    2. Dave Bolland, Michael Frolik and Nik Hjalmmerson/Montador will be traded to create cap room for Suter (other salary may have to come off the books; haven't checked the numbers yet). Since this is a salary move, I doubt you get anything but picks or prospects for these players.

    3. Sign Jason Garrison/Bryan Allen/Matt Carle (insert others as you see fit). PK specialists that block shots and play physical in front of the net

    4. Corey Crawford and Ray Emery will be the opening night goalies barring any injuries to the two. The improved defense with Suter and one from above no doubt makes StanBo feel better about keeping Crawford. He was better with better D right? Right?

    5. Find a complimentary piece to Mayers. It is obvious that Mayers faded down the stretch but is a locker room gold mine. Pirri? Danault? More likely Konopka or Halpern.

    6. Assuming Stan and Q stay with Kane at center and you don't pick one up in the Bolland Frolik or Hjalmmerson deals, you're looking at a FA left winger or a prospect on the top line.

    Saad (IDK if he's ready), Toews, Hossa
    Sharp, Kane, Stalberg
    Bickell, Kruger, Shaw
    Carcillo, Mayers/Konopka/Halpern, Hayes/Morin/Beach

    Keith - Seabrook
    Leddy - Suter
    Hjalmmerson/Montador - Olsen/Point #3 from top
    Stanton/Lavin

    Crawford
    Emery

    Rough sketch so criticisms are always welcome.
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    I still wonder if they are going to make a push at Suter. I haven't heard anything other than fan conjecture. But, as you mentioned, I haven't heard much of anything from StanBo in general. I wouldn't think they'd go for another big deal, but maybe they would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b1e9a8r5s View Post
    I still wonder if they are going to make a push at Suter. I haven't heard anything other than fan conjecture. But, as you mentioned, I haven't heard much of anything from StanBo in general. I wouldn't think they'd go for another big deal, but maybe they would.
    I can't say I disagree with this. The window is closing with the core in the next 5 years or so. Toews and Kane are hitting their prime and Sharp and Keith are in the middle of theirs and Seabrook is getting better every year. Hossa is hitting the back side of his. I think Wirtz knows this and and wants to win as many Cups as possible. I think the lack of anything really valueable in the presser means a couple of things. Some philosophical differences are getting ironed out (hopefully) and the Hawks are trying to keep an upper hand on any negotiations that will happen by not letting their hand slip out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b1e9a8r5s View Post
    I still wonder if they are going to make a push at Suter. I haven't heard anything other than fan conjecture. But, as you mentioned, I haven't heard much of anything from StanBo in general. I wouldn't think they'd go for another big deal, but maybe they would.
    I think you go all in for Suter. Hawks are flush in young forwards, let the kids play and gain experience. Goalies are locked in now but I wouldn't mind them adding another backup goalie to stash in Rockford. Re-sign Mayers and Bollig too.

    As is, the Hawks are at $57.5 million and the cap is expected to rise to $66-67 million for next season. Say it's only $66 mil, then they have $8.5 mil if they don't trade Bolland or Kruger, in which one will most certainly go. Also, not all of these young guys will make the big club and Saad needs to be relegated to the AHL at least for a couple months. No need to rush him, let him develop accordingly.

    Need a couple d-men, one for the top 4 and one for the 3rd pairing. Need a 2C or top 6 forward. Other than that, fill the holes with the young guys and keep moving forward. Will be interesting to see where Carcillo ends up in the line pairings.

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    I just went to Hockeybuzz to get some cap info to post in here and saw this from JJ. This is the first I've actually heard anything about the Hawks and Suter.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/John-...uter/128/44205

    Ol' JJ can never leave well enough alone.

    So, building on a rumor I first heard after the Hawks' last roadie to Nashville, I did a little poking around the last couple of days with sources in Chicago and Madison.

    The Hawks might very well be in on Ryan Suter. And those who pshaw or have Suter ticketed for Detroit or Vancouver might well take heed.

    Suter might want to be in the Indianhead next season.

    First, a highly placed individual told a source of mine that the Hawks would be/will be very interested in Suter should he reach unrestricted free agency. Then, I heard this morning that Suter will likely not stay in Nashville; Suter's father would very much like to have his son playing closer to home in Madison. And there is no NHL arena closer to Madison than the one that sits at 1901 W. Madison Street.

    Further, Suter's uncle Gary was a Hawk for a number of years, very much enjoyed his time here and maintains ties to the Wirtz family.

    How will the Hawks afford another $7 million or so on their blueline? Well, for a team that struggled so much keeping the puck out of its own net, the counter argument can be made: how can they afford not to?

    Because of his contract and the number of superior goalies available this summer, Corey Crawford likely isn't being dealt. So you improve the defense. What this would likely mean is the departure from Chicago of Johnny Oduya and Niklas Hjalmarsson. Those two salaries roughly equal what the Hawks would pay Suter. So there you go.

    With Suter or Brent Seabrook as a partner, the idea of Nick Leddy on the second pairing suddenly doesn't feel so bad.

    I am also hearing that Dave Bolland, with the emergence of Marcus Kruger this past season and the possible arrival of Philip Danault (think: Mikhail Grabovski with some Bolland thrown in) as early 2013-14, could be ticketed elsewhere this summer as well.

    I was told this morning last week's press conference was somewhat "scripted" to avoid delving into some of the changes on the horizon.

    There are going to be significant changes this summer, as I've been saying all along. The pending CBA issue might be what's holding things up— or perhaps Rocky Wirtz is still taking stock.

    More as I have it.

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    I love hockeybuzz.com . Jaeckel's articles are always friggin awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by b1e9a8r5s View Post
    I just went to Hockeybuzz to get some cap info to post in here and saw this from JJ. This is the first I've actually heard anything about the Hawks and Suter.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/John-...uter/128/44205

    Ol' JJ can never leave well enough alone.

    So, building on a rumor I first heard after the Hawks' last roadie to Nashville, I did a little poking around the last couple of days with sources in Chicago and Madison.

    The Hawks might very well be in on Ryan Suter. And those who pshaw or have Suter ticketed for Detroit or Vancouver might well take heed.

    Suter might want to be in the Indianhead next season.

    First, a highly placed individual told a source of mine that the Hawks would be/will be very interested in Suter should he reach unrestricted free agency. Then, I heard this morning that Suter will likely not stay in Nashville; Suter's father would very much like to have his son playing closer to home in Madison. And there is no NHL arena closer to Madison than the one that sits at 1901 W. Madison Street.

    Further, Suter's uncle Gary was a Hawk for a number of years, very much enjoyed his time here and maintains ties to the Wirtz family.

    How will the Hawks afford another $7 million or so on their blueline? Well, for a team that struggled so much keeping the puck out of its own net, the counter argument can be made: how can they afford not to?

    Because of his contract and the number of superior goalies available this summer, Corey Crawford likely isn't being dealt. So you improve the defense. What this would likely mean is the departure from Chicago of Johnny Oduya and Niklas Hjalmarsson. Those two salaries roughly equal what the Hawks would pay Suter. So there you go.

    With Suter or Brent Seabrook as a partner, the idea of Nick Leddy on the second pairing suddenly doesn't feel so bad.

    I am also hearing that Dave Bolland, with the emergence of Marcus Kruger this past season and the possible arrival of Philip Danault (think: Mikhail Grabovski with some Bolland thrown in) as early 2013-14, could be ticketed elsewhere this summer as well.

    I was told this morning last week's press conference was somewhat "scripted" to avoid delving into some of the changes on the horizon.

    There are going to be significant changes this summer, as I've been saying all along. The pending CBA issue might be what's holding things upó or perhaps Rocky Wirtz is still taking stock.

    More as I have it.
    I'd love this. If we could somehow get Suter for under $7 million a year, I'd love this even more.

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    I'm hearing rumblings of Jordan Staal potentially be moved this off-season. Might be something to look into for our 2nd line C, but he does have an expiring contract after next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubbieKid17 View Post
    I'm hearing rumblings of Jordan Staal potentially be moved this off-season. Might be something to look into for our 2nd line C, but he does have an expiring contract after next season.
    Gotta think the Pens will want Leddy or Bolland for him, if so. He's only 23 so I can't see why they'd move him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assman22 View Post
    Gotta think the Pens will want Leddy or Bolland for him, if so. He's only 23 so I can't see why they'd move him.
    He's only got 1 year left on his deal and the Pens are pretty close to the cap. It doesn't mean he will be moved, but he'd be a piece that could free up some money for them and bring back some talent. For that reason, I wouldn't see Bolland as a match. He's a slightly worse player at almost the same price. If we were to get Staal, we'd have to give them something else. Then we trade Bolland and put Kruger at 3C. It's an interesting idea, but Staal is a UFA after next year. I don't know if they'd trade a Leddy or some other pieces for a guy who might be gone after the season.

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    Looks like Marc Bergevin is getting the Canadiens' GM job. Haven't scanned their roster, but I think they may have to shed some salary. May be a willing trade partner with us, given the good relationship with Bergevin. Good for him, bad for us kind of thing, but it's well-deserved.

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    The more I think about it, going for a Jason Arnott type seems like the way to go for #2 C. He's not a long-term fix, so you sign him to a 1-year deal. Then next off-season, you try to bring in Jordan Staal on a long-term deal. I wouldn't trade for Staal unless it's fairly cheap or you can get him to sign an extension.

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    ^^^^
    The only issue is that the Hawks have the likes of Danault, Pirri and McNeill that may be ready in a year or 2, assuming they're not used as trade bait. McNeill could be ready this year or next and projects as a #2 center. A long term deal for Staal would almost certainly mean a trade of 1 or 2 of these prospects.

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