PreDraft Breakdown...

[mirakoff]

I will say this, I am wondering if the pick at #16 will be Mark Barron if available? The reason I say this is the safety class is from what I have read is really weak this year. I have also seen some very good pass rushers in the 2nd round. LaRon Landry is on a one year deal and outside of him and Eric Smith, the safety depth is non-existent. I am just wondering if Barron will be the pick at #16 and then a pass rusher becomes the 2nd round pick with RB, OT, blocking TE, WR in some fashion in rounds 3-7.

If Barron is the guy at 16? I say trade down to the end of the first, if possible, and pick up another 2nd in the process. I don't think Barron is gonna be a stud safety. Rather have a 2nd round safety like harrison when you calculate the value. Take the best olb prospect at the end up first. Pick up the best offensive option (OT, WR, RB) with the other 2nd rounder. The draft is deep this year. Might as well take advantage of it.

[John X Doe]

Agreed, Coples seems to be dropping (who knows for sure), but if he is I've thought about how he'd fit in on the Jets.

Coples is not a 3-4 DE, he'd have to gain 10-15 lbs and learn to play gaps from inside out. He hasn't done anything like that before, so he would probably project to be a OLB, but....
He's not a 3-4 OLB, he'd have to learn to cover and probably drop 10lbs, but he as well as Ming the Mercilus are the top 2 passrushers in the draft.

If Coples should fall to #16, the Jets would probably have to take him if they stay at the pick. Coples would just far and away be the most talented player at that spot.

What we'd know is Coples will get after the QB from day 1, and although he's good stopping the run, he'd have to tweek his game some to play the run as a OLB. His coverage skillset hasn't been seen, since he wasn't asked to do so.

Coples, if taken at #16, would be the draft's biggest boom or bust prospect, based on trying to fit him in the 3-4.

You know, he would be a stud on the strong side where Thomas is as this side isn't asked to drop into coverage so often as sealing the edge against the run. And you speak of needing 2 OLB's in the future...this guy wouldn't be the pass on rushing side where Maybin is. Maybin, from all accounts is being groomed to learn the defense and start on that side. We'll see by year's end if he's the guy or if we're still looking for the 2nd piece. Coples will be a terror against RT's and has the size and speed to blow up ball carriers on the run-heavy side with his ability to shed blocks (and longer arms). I think the Jets will be very happy to have him on the team if he's there.

[nate2usmc]

It's because the Jets don't have ANYONE that can actually GET the QB, that gives the opposing QB all day for the WRs to beat the Safeties.

Markelle Martin is a better cover S than Barron and he's a true FS.
George Iloka is a SS (I'm so-so on him), but he could contribute if the Jets want to move Landry to FS.
Harrison is the top rated FS in the draft, he may be had in the 2nd round as well.

The longer a QB has to throw the ball, the EASIER it is to beat an average set of Safeties.

The quicker you hit that QB, and well, take a look at what the giants did to TBrady in 2 SBs.

The giants do not have stud Safeties, but they have people capable of putting footsteps in a QBs ear and the QBs body on the ground.

Agree with your post except this: The Giants have damn good safeties in Rolle and Phillips. I don't know how Martin is a better safety than Barron considering Barron is the best safety in the draft?

[John X Doe]

Agree with your post except this: The Giants have damn good safeties in Rolle and Phillips. I don't know how Martin is a better safety than Barron considering Barron is the best safety in the draft?

You boldened your reason - he's the better coverage, free safety. More of what fits alongside Landry. I think Martin & Trumain Johnson both fit our team better than Barron. Barron's a good prospect and could play both safety positions but is he better at free than the best that is offered at that position? I don't think so.

[nate2usmc]

You boldened your reason - he's the better coverage, free safety. More of what fits alongside Landry. I think Martin & Trumain Johnson both fit our team better than Barron. Barron's a good prospect and could play both safety positions but is he better at free than the best that is offered at that position? I don't think so.

Agree since I covet a centerfield FS more but it's obvious Rex likes to move his safeties around and Barron can play both positions well.

[MrX27]

Agree with your post except this: The Giants have damn good safeties in Rolle and Phillips. I don't know how Martin is a better safety than Barron considering Barron is the best safety in the draft?

I think the Giants Safeties are just ok, not good.

BUT they look better than they are because they don't have to cover as long as the Jets' Safeties do.

Barron IS the best Safety in the draft, in terms of overall ability on the field.

HOWEVER that does NOT mean that Barron is the best coverage Safety in the draft, and a coverage Safety is typically what a FS is.

Barron IS the S you can duck into the box, Martin is not, Harrison may be.

Also realize that if Lester would have declared this year, that Barron would only be talked about being the best SS in this year's draft, as Lester would have been considered the best FS in this draft.

[MrX27]

EDIT TO OP:

Unless the Floyd is there or the Jets trade down...
Baron and Upshaw are probably a 60/40 pick at this point, leaning toward Barron.

The Jets need to steer clear of Ingram (too many ?) and Perry (plays just like Maybin) or any CB in the 1st.

[stoopboy45]

Jets have reached out to Coples.....for what it is worth. I think he is long gone by 16!!!

Jets Have Reached Out to Coples
by Bassett on April 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am A source tells me the Jets have reached out to UNC DE Quinton Coples for a visit. The plan now is to travel Tues. & meet Wed. Will update.
about 16 hours ago via TweetDeckReplyRetweetFavorite@JosinaAnderson
Josina AndersonCoples is something of a 4-3 DT/DE tweener … which would make him an interesting fit for the Jets offense. With his speed (4.78 40 time) and his size (6-6, 284lbs.) he could be an interesting DE/OLB for the Jets in their scheme. Coples is projected to go in the 8-15 range, so might be someone the Jets would get a chance to draft, but more than likely would be gone before they would get to pick at 16.

[nate2usmc]

I think the Giants Safeties are just ok, not good.

BUT they look better than they are because they don't have to cover as long as the Jets' Safeties do.

Barron IS the best Safety in the draft, in terms of overall ability on the field.

HOWEVER that does NOT mean that Barron is the best coverage Safety in the draft, and a coverage Safety is typically what a FS is.

Barron IS the S you can duck into the box, Martin is not, Harrison may be.

Also realize that if Lester would have declared this year, that Barron would only be talked about being the best SS in this year's draft, as Lester would have been considered the best FS in this draft.

Robert Lester

[John X Doe]

Jets have reached out to Coples.....for what it is worth. I think he is long gone by 16!!!

Jets Have Reached Out to Coples
by Bassett on April 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am A source tells me the Jets have reached out to UNC DE Quinton Coples for a visit. The plan now is to travel Tues. & meet Wed. Will update.
about 16 hours ago via TweetDeckReplyRetweetFavorite@JosinaAnderson
Josina AndersonCoples is something of a 4-3 DT/DE tweener … which would make him an interesting fit for the Jets offense. With his speed (4.78 40 time) and his size (6-6, 284lbs.) he could be an interesting DE/OLB for the Jets in their scheme. Coples is projected to go in the 8-15 range, so might be someone the Jets would get a chance to draft, but more than likely would be gone before they would get to pick at 16.

In my experience in watching players visiting teams, the latest (closest to draft date) arrivals are often the ones teams are most interested in. They'd have to trade with Jax IMO to get him and I'm guessing that would cost us our 2nd with maybe a 4th in return.

I'm one of the few (if only) that likes Coples the most. Many posters have reservations of his desire, fit in scheme, lack of lateral explosiveness, etc.. I see a potentially dominating presence on the strong side who can be as versatile as Ingram and more powerful against the run while providing a wingspan to block passing lanes. Could easily slide into the 4-3 front and has shown an ability to turn his hips into coverage. I think he's unfairly criticized for not having the stat-popping senior year but he was moved into DT against his wishes and obviously his sack total plummeted. He still had 77 tackles which is awesome.

[MrX27]

Jets have reached out to Coples.....for what it is worth. I think he is long gone by 16!!!

Jets Have Reached Out to Coples
by Bassett on April 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am A source tells me the Jets have reached out to UNC DE Quinton Coples for a visit. The plan now is to travel Tues. & meet Wed. Will update.
about 16 hours ago via TweetDeckReplyRetweetFavorite@JosinaAnderson
Josina AndersonCoples is something of a 4-3 DT/DE tweener … which would make him an interesting fit for the Jets offense. With his speed (4.78 40 time) and his size (6-6, 284lbs.) he could be an interesting DE/OLB for the Jets in their scheme. Coples is projected to go in the 8-15 range, so might be someone the Jets would get a chance to draft, but more than likely would be gone before they would get to pick at 16.

Ingram has passed Coples as the top DE/OLB and that is to the Jets benefit.
Odds are better that he'll be there now compared to 2-3 months ago, so we'll see.

Robert Lester

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