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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MTL View Post
    Kevin Love produces empty stats in my opinion. Such a beast but his numbers dont result in wins. Clear difference when Ricky Rubio plays
    Stats are stats. They aren't full, they aren't empty. Team chemistry and many other elements are put into a team's success. Noone credits one player for winning every game in a season, so how can someone be tagged for losing games as well? Especially when that team is able to compete every night because of that person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waveycrockett View Post
    Really and what about Blake Griffin without CP3? Or Pau Gasol with Kobe? Or Amar'e without Nash? Do I need to go on?
    Look last year, Kevin Love put up similar stats 21ppg 15rpg but the Wolves were the WORST in the league. Im not saying that his supporting cast doesnt suck but when you have a guy averaging such ridiculous stats its supposed to amount for some wins. Not being the WORST team in the whole NBA.

    Blake Griffin had a similar stat line as Love last year. And yes the Clippers still sucked but they did manage to win at least 30 games.

    When Love, you telling me a guy who can average 21ppg 15rpg can only win 17 games. It shows you how much he "stat line" matters when it comes to games.

    Amare was early MVP candidate without Nash last year. Leader of Knicks.
    Pau Gasol lead to Grizzlies to the playoffs that one season.
    Blake Griffin won 32 games last year.
    Kevin Garnett carried the Wolves for his tenure there.

    Do I need to go on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBongTheory View Post
    Stats are stats. They aren't full, they aren't empty. Team chemistry and many other elements are put into a team's success. Noone credits one player for winning every game in a season, so how can someone be tagged for losing games as well? Especially when that team is able to compete every night because of that person.
    If you read my other post..you'll see what I mean....

    But in regards to scoring 50. If Durant or Kobe or Lebron ever put up 50 points. Thats a guaranteed victory. ENOUGH SAID. That is because 50 points raises the level of THE ENTIRE TEAM!

    When Love scores 50 points, its exactly what it reads "Love scores 50points". Its good for him, but doesnt raise the level of his team. It raises the level of himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MTL View Post
    Look last year, Kevin Love put up similar stats 21ppg 15rpg but the Wolves were the WORST in the league. Im not saying that his supporting cast doesnt suck but when you have a guy averaging such ridiculous stats its supposed to amount for some wins. Not being the WORST team in the whole NBA.

    Blake Griffin had a similar stat line as Love last year. And yes the Clippers still sucked but they did manage to win at least 30 games.


    When Love, you telling me a guy who can average 21ppg 15rpg can only win 17 games. It shows you how much he "stat line" matters when it comes to games.

    Amare was early MVP candidate without Nash last year. Leader of Knicks.
    Pau Gasol lead to Grizzlies to the playoffs that one season.
    Blake Griffin won 32 games last year.
    Kevin Garnett carried the Wolves for his tenure there.

    Do I need to go on?
    Love's team will win around 30 games in only 66 games this year, and he's putting up dominant stats. I don't see how you can defend Blake Griffin for that and hate on Love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddler The Gr8 View Post
    Love's team will win around 30 games in only 66 games this year, and he's putting up dominant stats. I don't see how you can defend Blake Griffin for that and hate on Love.
    Look at the Wolves record without Ricky Rubio playing. 2 wins and 5 losses. Those 2 wins very narrow victories against less talented teams in Suns and Warriors.

    And meanwhile they lost to the likes of Sacramento, New Orleans, and Utah. With a blowout loss against San Antonio. Meanwhile, Kevin Love averages almost 30points and 13 rebounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MTL View Post

    Amare was early MVP candidate without Nash last year. Leader of Knicks.
    Pau Gasol lead to Grizzlies to the playoffs that one season.
    Blake Griffin won 32 games last year.
    Kevin Garnett carried the Wolves for his tenure there.

    Do I need to go on?
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    Only a Knick fan would brag about his player being an MVP CANDIDATE after 1 great month. I'm pretty sure Kevin Love was an early MVP candidate this year as well. So your point is lame there.

    Pau Gasol also had Shane Battier (prime), Mike Miller (prime), Bobby Jackson, Eddie Jones, Jason Williams, Damon Stoudamire. Gasol's grizzles were only as good as the supporting cast around him.

    Blake Griffin won 32 games last year. The Wolves will win at least that many this year in a shortened season. NEXT

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    Im not taking anything away from Love at all. He is a great player

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    Only a Knick fan would brag about his player being an MVP CANDIDATE after 1 great month. I'm pretty sure Kevin Love was an early MVP candidate this year as well. So your point is lame there.

    Pau Gasol also had Shane Battier (prime), Mike Miller (prime), Bobby Jackson, Eddie Jones, Jason Williams, Damon Stoudamire. Gasol's grizzles were only as good as the supporting cast around him.

    Blake Griffin won 32 games last year. The Wolves will win at least that many this year in a shortened season. NEXT[/QUOTE]


    WHy u gotta bring the Knicks into it? you troll......

    Anyway, Im not arguing about the Wolves winning 30 games this season cause if you finished reading my post instead of just reading the Amare part....you would have saw the key figure in the Wolves winning those 30 games this season. And without the key figure the Wolves would have been just as bad as ever as evident by their recent play.

    I'll leave it to you to figure out who that key figure is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MTL View Post
    If you read my other post..you'll see what I mean....

    But in regards to scoring 50. If Durant or Kobe or Lebron ever put up 50 points. Thats a guaranteed victory. ENOUGH SAID. That is because 50 points raises the level of THE ENTIRE TEAM!

    When Love scores 50 points, its exactly what it reads "Love scores 50points". Its good for him, but doesnt raise the level of his team. It raises the level of himself.
    http://www.nba.com/games/20050320/CLETOR/recap.html

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    I remember a regular season game back in 2000-01 @ Golden State, when the Warriors Antawn Jamison and young Afro Kobe scored 51 pts against each other, but Jamison's Warriors edged out the Shaq-Kobe Lakers in OT. Btw, Jamison had 51 pts the previous night as well, so he had memorable back-to-back 51 pt game performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MTL View Post
    If you read my other post..you'll see what I mean....

    But in regards to scoring 50. If Durant or Kobe or Lebron ever put up 50 points. Thats a guaranteed victory. ENOUGH SAID. That is because 50 points raises the level of THE ENTIRE TEAM!

    When Love scores 50 points, its exactly what it reads "Love scores 50points". Its good for him, but doesnt raise the level of his team. It raises the level of himself.
    I think the Lakers have lost like 3 times before with Kobe scoring 50+. Back in the day in the mid 2000s, it was not an automatic win for the Lakers, but it would be now since Kobe no longer has butterknives in the drawer.

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    kevin love is much better than blake. anyone who says different hasn't watched both players. blake plays no defense just like love. love is a far superior rebounder, he can shoot from everywhere, he has much more skill on the block, more touch around the rim and is 10 times the passer blake is.

    only things blake has are athleticism, finishing, and strength.

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    Lebron's second season in the league? Just made his first allstar appearance? Wasnt even CONSIDERED an elite player yet. At that time was not the "Lebron James- King James or whatever you call him" that he is today. Thanks you just showed how a not-Elite player can score 50 points and still lose. Which is my whole point about Kevin Love.

    Thanks for proving my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MTL View Post

    WHy u gotta bring the Knicks into it? you troll......

    Anyway, Im not arguing about the Wolves winning 30 games this season cause if you finished reading my post instead of just reading the Amare part....you would have saw the key figure in the Wolves winning those 30 games this season. And without the key figure the Wolves would have been just as bad as ever as evident by their recent play.

    I'll leave it to you to figure out who that key figure is?
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    Wow dude it's like talking to a brick wall with you. Kobe Bryant couldn't even lead his team to respectability let alone the playoffs in his PRIME with trash around him. You expect Kevin Love to do it in order to be called elite? The greatest player of our generation think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB-Pau-DH2012 View Post
    I remember a regular season game back in 2000-01 @ Golden State, when the Warriors Antawn Jamison and young Afro Kobe scored 51 pts against each other, but Jamison's Warriors edged out the Shaq-Kobe Lakers in OT. Btw, Jamison had 51 pts the previous night as well, so he had memorable back-to-back 51 pt game performances.
    But Kobe was not ELITE back then. My whole argument is about the eliteness of Kevin Love.

    But now-a-days (well maybe not this season cause he has truly been a ball hog lol) if Kobe scored 50 points that is an automatic win.
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