You can't call a pitch that has 10% usage "relying" on. It's a "show me" pitch. And his curve was much better this year than last year.Burnett is mainly a two pitch pitcher but when those pitches start to deteriorate (and they have), you try anything you can. Burnett is likely to rely more on his changeup which isn't good for anyone.
The curveball is still an effective pitch. And he's not walking any more or less hitters than he ever has. He had an 8.18 K/9 and 3.92 BB/9 last year vs career rates of 8.22 and 3.79. That's pretty much dead on for what he's been over his career. Let's not try and pretend this isn't the case. The only difference is that the HR:FB was 17% compared to 11% which is completely out of whack. Even the past two years he had an 11% HR:FB rate. Regardless of what you think of AJ, that's just not realistic.Burnett used to have a fastball in the mid-90's but that is no longer the case and has declined in each of the past two seasons. That trend is likely to continue. His command of his curveball is getting worse as well so while Burnett might still be fooling hitters, he is still walking them at a high rate as well.
It's like arguing a guy sucks because he has a 400 BABIP.
There are pitchers with lesser stuff than AJ currently has that don't have 17% HR:FB rates. Don't be naive.Burnett makes his own bad luck but somehow that gets lost for people defending him.
Why are you surprised that a guy with a poor ERA has a low amount of quality starts? He's still averaged 6 innings a game the past 3 seasons so it's because of the runs allowed, not his inability to eat innings. Which again, is a valuable and underrated skill.Something else that is irrefutable! Funny you brought up watching him for five innings since he has only 24 QS in 65 GS over the past two seasons.
And yes, I can't believe I just said that for AJ given his injury history, but amusingly it's true.
I don't think anybody ever claimed Burnett was unhittable. Just that he had the ability to be an average pitcher. If he's even a 2 WAR pitcher, which isn't unrealistic, he'll be a bargain for the Pirates. Even if he's 1.5 WAR, it's still good value for the Pirates. So if he pitches like he does last year, it's still a good trade.Nothing about Burnett is unhittable anymore. He can have a 8 K/9 all he wants. It won't matter if he continues to give up walks and give up big hits.
That's how low the bar is for this trade to be good for the Pirates. Anything more than that and the Pirates come away with a steal.
Probably because you don't appreciate or realize that Burnett is closer to being league average than mediocre. That's the state of pitching these days.I just don't see a reason to defend such a mediocre pitcher who continues to decline.
You really think a 25 year old who just got through AA has the chance to be a good MLB reliever? From what I've read he was suspended for some reason (bad behaviour but they didn't specify), and that he was available in the Rule V draft and nobody selected him. So I don't know what you're expecting from him, when 29 other teams passed on the chance to acquire him when all it would have cost was $50,000 bucks.Pirates should have found mediocrity for a lot less than $13 million and two minor leaguers, one of which has a chance to be a MLB reliever.
Did anybody say that would happen other than you?Going to the Pirates is not going to give Burnett control, put velocity on his fastball, cut down on walks
It won't suppress big hits, but it's much harder to score runs in PNC Park than it is in Yankee Stadium. That, is an indisputable fact. What would be a HR in Yankee Stadium is a long fly ball here. He may have pitched better at home (which isn't shocking, as most players do), but it doesn't change the fact that it's still harder to hit a HR at PNC Park, which covers his biggest weakness.or suppress the big hits.
To a degree, of course. Nobody is suggesting he'll have a single digit HR:FB, but you can't argue with the fact that it's harder to hit one in PNC than Yankee Stadium. That's a no brainer.
Clearly you have no idea what I am arguing if you think that's what I'm saying. AJ just needs to pitch like he did in 2011 to make this a solid trade for the Pirates. That's how low the bar is.If you do think that is going to happen for some reason at 35 years old, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
That's ok, I don't blame you. I wouldn't care either if someone who had more baseball knowledge than I did disagreed with my opinion and pretty much disproved my arguments.Don't have Insider so have no clue what Keith Law says but I really don't care either
Sleeper pick in fantasy! I'm drafting him in the 1st round
i cant wait to face the isabela havoks
I think A.J does well in Pitt. Moving out of New York and the NY media should ease the pressure of pitching going into '12 IMO. Also, pitching in PNC park against NLC lineups should help improve his stats and overall game.
We aren't talking about moves that were months or years a part. This money was spent at the same time, which means they clearly could have allocated that money in a different direction.
So Morris had nothing to do with Weiters, the Pirates had set their drafting pattern long before they acquired Morris
It's a pointless move on the Pirates part. Why throw money away that could be spent in MUCH better ways.
Cashman is the best GM in the history of all sports, all time.
Why is everyone comparing two different gms? Littlefield screwed up. He did the Morris/Wieters thing, not Huntington. Everyone on PSD hate on the Pirates for mistakes that they made five-ten years ago. Look recently and tell me one big mistake that they made? They had nothing to work with once Littlefield left and did everyone forget this team was tied for first at the all star break? Just curious?
CITY OF CHAMPIONS....and the Buccos
Ive said repeatedly that this is a great move for the Pirates. The move isnt one that is designed to win now and thats where So many people like Jeffy and RTL miss the boat, its a move to help a young team grow, because you have to learn how to reach .500 first before you can win consistently, and it also acts as a barrier against rushing Cole and Taillon. So that even though the Pirates may not win now, it actually does help them win in 2015 and beyond. That is Why Huntington is a good GM, he's not so worried about his job that he sells out tomorrow to win a few meaningless games today
I hate this move for a team that is very unlikely to compete.
This was was nothing but a lateral move for a team that isn't ready to win yet.
How does this move help the Pirates win in 2015? They gave up the two players they would have owned in 2015, and Burnett's deal will be over for two years and he will be 38. Burnett isn't going to help create a winning culture on a team that will likely only have about 33% of the same players in 2015 as they do today.
Last edited by Jeffy25; 02-19-2012 at 12:36 PM.
thank the lord this a-hole is finally off the yankees
as for cashman for pulling this off....