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    Philip Rivers future HOF?

    Rivers HOF?

    Finally, couldn’t have said it better myself.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...f-fame-chances

    “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 1927

    Someone put the numbers together and factually stated what a number of objective football fans have been saying to the wind for years… whereas most talk perception over reality – this is reality.

    Sometimes hard work and dedication is noted above the larger media bias. Philip Rivers is the perfect example. The Chargers, and we fans, are lucky to have him. Fact.

    For impatient readers;

    Is Philip Rivers a Hall of Fame quarterback?

    While the critics are likely to jump the gun with a resounding "no," the question should be given much more serious consideration.

    If either of his 2004 draft classmates, Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger make it into the Pro Football Hall of Fame—Rivers would most certainly deserve the nod.

    Statistically, there is no comparison between Rivers and the other two.

    He is more productive:
    • Rivers: 241.6 passing yards per-game.
    • Roethlisberger: 234.8 passing yards per-game.
    • Manning: 232.7 passing yards per-game.
    He puts more points on the board:
    • Rivers: 5.4 touchdown percentage.
    • Roethlisberger: 5.0 touchdown percentage.
    • Manning: 4.7 touchdown percentage.
    He's more accurate:
    • Rivers: 63.7 completion percentage.
    • Roethlisberger: 63.0 completion percentage.
    • Manning: 58.6 completion percentage.
    He's more efficient:
    • Rivers: 6.94 adjusted net yards per attempt.
    • Roethlisberger: 6.43 adjusted net yards per attempt.
    • Manning: 5.94 adjusted net yards per attempt.
    And he protects the ball better:
    • Rivers: 2.6 interception percentage.
    • Roethlisberger: 2.9 interception percentage.
    • Manning: 3.3 interception
    • percentage.

    You'll note the trend of Rivers ranking first, Roethlisberger ranking second and Manning ranking third in all the above categories. It's ironic knowing that many people would rank the three quarterbacks in the opposite order.

    They'd be wrong.

    Because not only has Rivers performed at a higher level across the board, but he has managed to be able to do so with perhaps the weakest supporting cast of the three.

    Manning has had Plaxico Burress, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham to throw the ball to at various points in his career. Roethlisberger has had Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and Mike Wallace catching his passes.

    Roethlisberger rode the coattails of an elite defense to two championships while Manning did the same, albeit, with weaker defenses that stepped up to elite levels in the postseason.
    Rivers has thrown to a trending-downward Antonio Gates and Vincent Jackson who began to develop before the Chargers let him go. Beyond that, there have been a lot of receivers who have never been notably productive in their entire careers.

    When Rivers won the passing title in 2010, he became the first player in over 20 years to lead the NFL in passing while not having a single one of his receivers eclipse the 800-yard receiving mark.

    That's 4,710 passing yards divided among 17 players to catch a pass from Rivers.

    Gates led the entire team with only 782-yards receiving.

    Rivers has managed to do things with less support than Manning and Roethlisberger. While many will be quick to mention "rings" in support of the latter two, it is no coincidence that they both rank below Rivers in terms of "individual performance" across the board.

    Keep in mind, Roethlisberger won his first Super Bowl by completing nine of 21 passes (42.8) for 123 yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions.

    His passer rating in Super Bowl XL was a horrendous 22.6.
    In his second Super Bowl season, Roethlisberger completed 59.7 percent of his passes for only 3,301 yards, 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions.
    His passer rating (80.1) and total QBR (46.82) both ranked 24th in the league in 2008.

    And still, people wonder why he has been accused of coat-tailing his way to two championships.
    During Manning's first Super Bowl season, he led the entire league with 20 interceptions. The QBR had yet to be developed, but Manning's abysmal 73.9 passer rating ranked 25th in the NFL.
    Overlooking these serious deficiencies in individual contributions to those championships is to prove yourself incapable of rationally analyzing the game. Regardless of the end result, one cannot ignore the steps taken to get there.

    2013 only continues to accentuate Rivers' dominance.

    Coming into the season, some had dubbed Roethlisberger a "sleeper MVP candidate," which may seem laughable now.

    Manning has not been much better, once again leading the league in interceptions (seven in only two games).

    The stat-line isn't close.

    Rivers ranks second to only Peyton Manning with a total QBR of 82.48—which is astounding considering that he came into 2013 with one of the weakest receiving corps in the league.
    Manning ranks 23rd (43.92) and Roethlisberger ranks 28th (31.76).

    Rivers is tied with Aaron Rodgers, ranking second only to Peyton Manning with seven touchdown passes.

    Dating back to Week 13 of the 2012 season, Rivers boasts a 15-to-1 touchdown to interception ratio.

    While his individual performance placed him ahead of both Manning and Roethlisberger years ago, his dominating performance in 2013 continues to separate Rivers from the rest of the 2004 draft class pack.

    Ryan Michael is a Senior Writer for Bleacher Report.


    Yes, Yes I know its too early... but Rivers has been a punching bag with no O line the last two bad years which greatly down plays his career... ask Big Ben what that feels like... it's a team sport.

    G/L guys.

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    I am one of the biggest rivers supporters who is not a charger fan, but he needs something else before I would think he's a hof candidate, I don't know what it is but he need more of it.
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    Love me some Rivers. I thought he was on track for the HOF but the last couple seasons have kind of derailed that a bit. But he looks good so far this year. If this new regime can give him a good supporting cast i could see the chargers getting to the SB and possibly winning one.



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    Rivers had LT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubs1st View Post
    Rivers had LT.
    Not for long and even LT faded without holes (O line). The Chargers as Raiders fans know well; got Norv'd.

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    Its always a sob story with Philip Rivers fans

    This article is such crap. "trending downward Antonio Gates"??? what do players do, trend upwards? news to me. He came in the league a year before. Im sure there wont be a question of his HoF qualifications.

    As for VJax "began to develop before the Chargers let him go". He's been on the Bucs for 2 years only. He was in his prime on the Chargers. This is an over-exaggeration.
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    Hey buddy!

    Ya, same way I feel about Clay Matthews and Aaron.
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    Rivers had no supporting cast, what? LT, Sproles, Gates, and an army of 8-foot tall receivers?

    In 2010, the year he won the passing title, his defense was ranked #1 in yds allowed. His offense was ranked #1. And yet they went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. You see elite numbers, I see massive garbage stats in losing efforts.

    Can Rivers make the HoF? Maybe, but he needs rings. His record has been getting worse and his performance has been flat out bad for two years. Eli and Ben might not win any stat awards, but they have two rings each. One ring might be a one-off event (Dilfer), but two means they weren't just along for the ride.
    Last edited by kubernetes; 09-20-2013 at 11:45 PM.

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    You been a Rivers hater since I've seen you post. No ones taking anything away from Eli, but Rivers is a great QB and the stats prove it. Archie was wise, I'm not one of those Charger fans who holds it against him, rejecting SD in favor of a large media market in NY where he'd get more attention = wise.

    We Charger fans know.

    G/L


    Quote Originally Posted by chargerSD View Post
    Hey buddy!

    Ya, same way I feel about Clay Matthews and Aaron.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlueCrew View Post
    Its always a sob story with Philip Rivers fans

    This article is such crap. "trending downward Antonio Gates"??? what do players do, trend upwards? news to me. He came in the league a year before. Im sure there wont be a question of his HoF qualifications.

    As for VJax "began to develop before the Chargers let him go". He's been on the Bucs for 2 years only. He was in his prime on the Chargers. This is an over-exaggeration.

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    Rivers has had some good players around him with the exception of the last few years. His main problem was that his coaching staff sucked balls.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chargerSD View Post
    You been a Rivers hater since I've seen you post. No ones taking anything away from Eli, but Rivers is a great QB and the stats prove it. Archie was wise, I'm not one of those Charger fans who holds it against him, rejecting SD in favor of a large media market in NY where he'd get more attention = wise.

    We Charger fans know.

    G/L
    Well then you didnt read the article that you youself posted.......

    "Roethlisberger rode the coattails of an elite defense to two championships while Manning did the same, albeit, with weaker defenses that stepped up to elite levels in the postseason"

    Rivers had help. On BOTH sides of the ball. His fanbase just wants us to believe otherwise.
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    River did have help - once. And led the NFL = pro bowl year with one playoff appearance. The point my fine pointy headed friend is that Rivers, even with nothing, continually produces beyond any right or support to do so.

    IF your saying the Chargers continually beat themselves – I agree. WTH fires a 14-2 coach?

    Ya, we’re masochists ….


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlueCrew View Post
    Well then you didnt read the article that you youself posted.......

    "Roethlisberger rode the coattails of an elite defense to two championships while Manning did the same, albeit, with weaker defenses that stepped up to elite levels in the postseason"

    Rivers had help. On BOTH sides of the ball. His fanbase just wants us to believe otherwise.

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    Yeah that sponge bob dude is an SOB



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    This is a current thread about a current player! ... sigh... nvm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubs1st:27075529
    Rivers had LT.
    The same LT that stood on the sideline while Rivers is out there playing on a torn ACL.

    Me and my Boys.
    Thank you PSD for your support and prayers.

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