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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    yeah I mean what is our FO doing? oh hey look at great they are doing... in greenville. Challenge them, find things out sooner rather than later. Maybe Garin will struggle with something in particular in A+, promote him now to there and you can work all offseason on that problem.

    Better than well he did great in A ball now hopefully he does the same thing in A+, and then find out the problems.... that is lost time
    He already struggles with something in particular, he can't hit LHP. This is from Chris Mellen over at Sox Prospects:

    Cecchini is a poor hitter versus lefties. He doesn't see the ball well out of their delivery and also tends to bail/open early with his shoulder. Just about all lefties early in their career, and some righties for that matter, struggle with lefties out of a lack of familiarity or experience seeing them. I don't see it as a sole reason not to promote Cecchini, but it ties into the overall theme that he is relatively inexperienced as a professional and is in the stages of building his foundation of seeing pitches through repetition. I thought he was pretty weak with breaking balls when I saw him and needed some work hitting inside of the baseball.
    You really need to stop assuming you know more than the people working with these kids in the minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    yeah I mean what is our FO doing? oh hey look at great they are doing... in greenville. Challenge them, find things out sooner rather than later. Maybe Garin will struggle with something in particular in A+, promote him now to there and you can work all offseason on that problem.

    Better than well he did great in A ball now hopefully he does the same thing in A+, and then find out the problems.... that is lost time
    IIRC, there are two schools of thought in this issue. One is as you describe, to promote quickly to constantly challenge the player. The other is to move more slowly with promotions out of a desire to see the player dominate at each level before promoting him to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AI4LIFE View Post
    He already struggles with something in particular, he can't hit LHP.
    Pretty much. His OPS when facing LHP is .573 instead of the .909 against RHP. He could use more time against lower-level LHP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AI4LIFE View Post
    He already struggles with something in particular, he can't hit LHP. This is from Chris Mellen over at Sox Prospects:



    You really need to stop assuming you know more than the people working with these kids in the minors.
    I don't assume anything. Look I don't pretend to know things about these kids, but baseball is baseball, to look up to a scout or anybody that just deals with baseball and think they are so more knowledgeable than you and I is just very dumb. Look he has he has the stats at A let him go to A+, let him work against lefties in the offseason against it. Lefties are lefties in A and A+, so saying let him work against lefties in A ball is what is good makes no sense. So when he faces better lefties, face the same problem in A+ all over again?

    Also sometimes that is just how people are and never change (Sweeney)... so that is a bad reason not to promote someone
    Jackie Bradley Junior.... that is all

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    Britton 5IP 6H 3BB 6K
    JBJ 2-4 HR

    Cecchini 2-4
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    Red Sox prospect Ryan Westmoreland, who underwent a second brain surgery on July 13, was on Twitter just now.

    He wrote: "He pulled me through again. #2for2inlife & batting 1.000 in brain surgeries."

    There was a photo of Westmoreland holding a Bible.

    Westmoreland, only 22, first had surgery in 2010 and recovered well enough to return to playing baseball. Now he's fighting through it again.

    Good luck to him and his family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucis View Post
    IIRC, there are two schools of thought in this issue. One is as you describe, to promote quickly to constantly challenge the player. The other is to move more slowly with promotions out of a desire to see the player dominate at each level before promoting him to the next level.
    The Sox have a somewhat different approach than either of these. They have very specific metrics for position players and pitchers to achieve at each level. Hit the marks and you get promoted, don't hit the marks and you don't. Cherrington was the author of "the book" so I doubt it was ditched when Theo left.

    PPM doesn't like the approach. His view is pretty clear: "If he needs to do it at the lower level then it's essentially the same challenge at the higher level." The Sox disagree. So do I. While it's true that the fundamental game does not change, it's also true that the progression to MLB is about refinement rather than new skills. Is it easier to refine a particular aspect when you're successful in most other areas or when you're challenged in several areas. I'm comfortable with the former. PPM likes the latter because it's all about the numbers.

    Reddick is a good example of what PPM dislikes. Reddick clearly looked like he was ready to jump to AAA early on in 2009. His line actually dipped to the .277/.352/.520 that he finished with. Why'd they wait? Because he refused to take a walk. There's a pretty strong line of evidence correlating hitters with walk rates and their MLB success and Reddick didn't have it. So he waited. By season's end he finally got something like 4BB/40PA and then got the promotion he wanted. Then he kinda sucked in Pawtucket, perhaps demonstrating that the Sox were right. If he's half the jewel that PPM thinks he is, it's in part because of the way he moved through the system.

    What I think PPM discounts is that sometimes things can work in the OPPOSITE direction from what he'd expect. A guy like Britton could suddenly click, show mastery of the skills at his level, and get promoted despite TERRIBLE numbers. PPM would never call for his promotion because the line looks like crap but he may have finally gained the necessary technique to be successful. Bard may be the example here. He got a late-season bump to A+ Lancaster in 2007 despite pretty horrible numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
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    As a Christian myself, that's a pretty touching story. I'm rooting for the guy, not just to have a normal life, but to get back out on the field and do something he loves.

    Go get 'em kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Station 13 View Post
    Britton 5IP 6H 3BB 6K
    JBJ 2-4 HR

    Cecchini 2-4
    Swihart on DL (hip)
    Britton

    That makes 3 pretty decent outings for him in a row.

    Jackie Bradley Jr.

    He's shown some more pop in AA, but he's now only batting .291, time to worry

    Cecchini

    Looking at his stats...he really turned things around after April...he's putting together quite a nice season.

    Swihart

    I'm assuming the strained hip flexor could be a reason why he's been in a slump as of late. Tough injury to play through as a catcher.

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    Pawtucket (62-39, 1st in IL North – AAA) – In the second half of July the PawSox went 10-5 to regain first place in the International League’s North Division. Pawtucket will face the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees, who are just a half game back in second place, eight times down the stretch. The PawSox are 5-2 against the Triple-A Yankees this year…C Ryan Lavarnway had his worst month of the season with lows in batting average (.244), home runs (1), runs (10) and on-base percentage (.303)…LHP Chris Hernandez, a 7th round pick in 2010, picked up his first Triple-A victory at Indianapolis on July 27th. In that game he threw five innings of scoreless relief, scattering four hits and striking out three...OF J.C. Linares batted .356 with four home runs, 14 RBIs and 12 runs in twenty-four July games. Linares played seven games with Pawtucket in June and batted .179 with no home runs, RBIs or runs.

    Portland (49-61, 5th in EL Eastern – AA) – The Sea Dogs were an even 15-15 in July. In twelve of those wins they held their opponents to two of fewer runs. In ten of the losses they allowed five or more runs…OF Bryce Brentz suffered his worst month of the season, batting just .200 over 26 games in July. He still has a .272 season average, best of any Sea Dogs player with 60 or more games played…OF Jeremy Hazelbaker went 10-for-10 on stolen base attempts in July. He has a team-high 26 steals on the season which is tied for fourth in the Eastern League…RHP Steven Wright, acquired at the trade deadline for Lars Anderson, made 20 starts for Akron (Cleveland) of the Eastern League. He has a 2.49 ERA which is second best in the league and his 101 strikeouts are fourth most…RHP Aaron Kurcz posted a 0.71 ERA in July after allowing just one run in 12 1/3 innings. The reliever went 1-0 and struck out 18 batters in 6 appearances.

    Salem (14-24 second half, last in CL Southern – High A) – The Salem Sox longest win streak of July was three games, which happened once. Their longest losing streak was also three games, but that occurred three times in the month. Their elimination number is 25 heading into the final full month of the season…1B Michael Almanzar’s record-setting string of reaching base in 16 straight at-bats helped him climb to a .309 batting average. He had his best month of the season at the plate in July, batting .333 with a .415 OBP, five home runs, 15 RBIs, 15 runs and 5 stolen bases. After walking 15 times over the first three months combined, he drew 12 free passes in July…2B Sean Coyle has picked up 16 hits over his last nine games…RHP Brandon Workman, 2nd rounder in 2010, posted a 2-2 record in five July starts. He struck out 32 batters and walked only four in 31 innings. He has a team-high 94 strikeouts and only 19 walks this year.

    Greenville (18-20 second half, 5th in SAL Southern - Low A) – A respectable finish of 6-3 helped the Drive salvage an otherwise rough July. They had a 12-16 record for the month…OF Keury De La Cruz finished the month with six two-hit games over his last seven. He has a team high .314 batting average, tied for seventh best in the league. He also leads the team with 16 home runs and 66 RBIs…3B Gavin Cecchini and OF Henry Ramos have both played a team-high 95 of 108 games this season. Last year the two combined for 119 games played…RHP Michael McCarthy has put together two solid starts, allowing no runs, four hits, and one walk, with six strikeouts in eleven innings. McCarthy has allowed only one home run and is the only Drive pitcher to allow so few in 49 or more innings of work.

    Lowell (16-26, last in NYPL Stedler - Short Season A) - The Spinners are in the midst of a season-long, four-game winning streak that has been spearheaded by some impressive pitching. Lowell ran off three straight shutouts and a franchise-record, thirty-inning scoreless streak. They also managed to get through a complete game without walking a batter for the first time since August of 2010…RHP, 37th overall pick in 2012, has had five two-inning starts and allowed three runs on eleven hits, most of which came in his first two outings. He has struck out 12 batters and only walked four over ten innings…LHP Brian Johnson, 31st overall pick in 2012, made his pro debut for the Spinners on July 29th against State College. He allowed two hits and a walk in working a scoreless inning and a third. It was the first live game action that he had seen since June 16th when his Florida Gators lost, 7-3, to South Carolina in the College World Series…Infielder Mookie Betts entered July batting .245, but ended the month with a .285 mark, best among active Spinners players. He has fourteen hits and five walks over his last ten games.

    Gulf Coast (21-17, tied for 2nd in GCL South – Rookie) – A 9-5 run in the second half of July puts the GCL Red Sox three games back of the Twins…First baseman Nathan Minnich was shipped to the Gulf Coast after batting just .136 in twelve games with Lowell. In tens games since being sent down, he is batting .324 with a .457 OBP and 10 RBIs…RHP Jeffrey Wendleken, a 13th round selection in 2012 out of Middle Georgia College, is 1-0 with a save and 0.71 ERA in 7 appearances. He has struck out 16 batters and has not allowed a walk in 12 2/3 innings…Andrew Bailey is slated to begin a rehab assignment with the Golf Coast Sox on Wednesday. Expected to be Boston’s closer heading into the season, Bailey has been on the disabled list since Spring Training following surgery on his thumb.
    http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/o...1st_in_il.html

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    Two Red Sox Prospects On Kevin Goldstein's Mid-Season Top 50

    Baseball Prospectus released their updated top 50 prospects list in an e-book titled "The Call Up", a mid-season addition to their off-season annual. The e-book contains detailed looks at the prospects in the top 50, but not to worry if you're just interested in seeing names and who ranks where, as Kevin Goldstein published the list version on the website earlier this week.

    A pair of Red Sox make the top 50, and it might not be the two that you think.

    28 - Jackie Bradley, CF: Bradley has been Boston's most exciting prospect this season, as he began the year at High-A Salem and crushed it before moving on to Double-A Portland. One year removed from the draft, Bradley looks poised to strike at Triple-A pitching in 2013, and has become a likely alternative to a Jacoby Ellsbury extension should he keep it up.

    33 - Matt Barnes, SP: Barnes has slowed down a bit after his promotion to High-A, but that's to be expected. It's easier to dominate Low-A if you're a hurler with a plus fastball, and Barnes absolutely has a plus fastball, one that's seen added velocity as game go on, Justin Verlander style. That's not to say he's Verlander, but he might as well be when facing Low-A opposition. He's been great at High-A, too, just not quite as much, but that doesn't mean Double-A Portland isn't in his 2013 sights.
    http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/8...-season-top-50

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    Pawtucket Red Sox Update: Zach Stewart, Chris Carpenter, Andy LaRoche

    Zach Stewart, SP

    Last time we checked in on Zack Stewart, he owned a 1.96 ERA despite striking out just five batters in 18-plus innings of work for Triple-A Pawtucket. His ERA has shot up since, but the underlying numbers are far more believable and satisfying this time around. Stewart has punched out 22 batters in his last 20 innings, accomplishing that feat while handing out free passes to seven hitters, giving him a 3.2 K/BB that matches up nicely with what he's put up for the season while in the Red Sox organization.

    Stewart isn't a prospect, but he's a pitcher whose stuff has always surpassed his results. Boston has had success squeezing production out of arms like this the past couple of years -- Andrew Miller, Franklin Morales, and Clayton Mortensen all come to mind -- so while much of the focus has been on how much the Red Sox blew it by dealing Kevin Youkilis when they did, let's take a step back and realize a few things. Boston acquired a mid-20s lottery ticket with six years of service time and options left, in exchange for an aging, injury-prone third baseman they had a replacement on hand for. Youkilis has hit .246/.360/.439 with Chicago, bringing his season line to a very average .238/.336/.404 that's combined with below-average defense. Stewart looks like he's starting to come around, especially in terms of strikeouts, and while the real test is in the majors, this is still a good sign.

    Now, the important thing to realize is that both of these players are lottery tickets, not just Stewart. The White Sox might have bet on the more established player, but there's always the risk of injury with Youkilis -- who has already missed time for two different dings since the trade -- and while he's been useful at the plate, he hasn't been vintage Youkilis, either. Like he did with Boston, Youkilis has shown flashes that make you think he's back, but those are followed by struggles that remind you that he is indeed on the wrong side of 30, and closer to the end than he is his peak. Stewart is a different kind of bet for Boston, but he's inexpensive, under team control, and might just be another useful piece that can shuttle between Triple-A and the majors going forward. Different players for different needs, and the deal seems to be working out for both sides to this point. That's not the exciting position to take, but the truth of most trades resembles this, regardless.

    Chris Carpenter, RP

    Carpenter has tossed 15 innings on his rehab assignment, including nine at Pawtucket, signifying as well as any calendar that his rehab was nearing its end, and he needed to be added to the 40-man roster. Thanks to the deals that sent Matt Albers, Scott Podsednik, and Lars Anderson out of town, there was room available without having to sacrifice any additional players to the waivers god.

    The 26-year-old Carpenter is a recent convert to relief, as he used to be a starting pitching prospect with the Cubs. His control went a little nuts after the switch, in part due to the added velocity that a relief role can bring, and it hasn't quite recovered yet. That's to be expected, though, after elbow surgery, and Carpenter has another month to figure things out before he's called up as part of expanded September rosters, anyway.

    The positive news is that he's missing bats once more, so even if he can't always aim his stuff, it's still there post-op.He hasn't allowed a run since July 22, five innings and appearances ago, and struck out four against two walks and four hits in that stretch. There's no room for him in Boston's bullpen at present, but there doesn't need to be: just like Junichi Tazawa, Alex Wilson, Clayton Mortensen, and others, Carpenter is loaded with inexpensive service time, and can just as easily be a part of the future bullpen as today's.

    Andy LaRoche, 3B

    LaRoche is no prospect, even less so than Stewart. He's spent five years and over 1,300 plate appearances in the majors, and has just a career .226/.305/.337 line to show for all that time. He's always had the patience, but never the power or batting average, and as disappointed as some are with his older brother's career, LaRoche the Younger has produced even less.

    He's always hit a bit in Triple-A, though -- a career .287/.380/.479 line in five seasons at the level -- and 2012 is no exception. Over his last 10 games, he's been even better than that, mashing to the tune of .297/.350/.568. Former general manager Theo Epstein has said that he doesn't believe in Quad-A players, but Andy LaRoche would like a word with him about that particular topic.
    http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/8...oche#storyjump

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaaBoTownSox View Post
    Two Red Sox Prospects On Kevin Goldstein's Mid-Season Top 50



    http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/8...-season-top-50
    Bogaerts not being on that list is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avrpatsfan View Post
    Bogaerts not being on that list is a joke.
    OMG, Bogearts being ranked 51st out of 50 is the end of the world as we know it!!!
    Last edited by Crucis; 08-03-2012 at 10:23 PM.

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    That list is more about results this year stat wise. Im sure hell be top 15 on everyones list next year if all goes well.

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