Peak Chris Paul or Peak Dwyane Wade

[JordansBulls]

I said he had the best statistical season of any PG, so let's compare the stats between the two, shall we:

CP3 '09
30.0 PER
59.9 TS%
52.8 eFG%
8.7 TRB%
54.5 AST%
13.5 TOV%
3.9 STL%
27.5 USG%
124 Ortg
103 Drtg
.292 WS48

Magic '87
27.0 PER
60.2 TS%
52.5 eFG%
9.7 TRB%
47.2 AST%
15.9 TOV%
2.2 STL%
26.3 USG%
124 Ortg
106 Drtg
.263 WS48

CP3 can wipe his *** with Magic's stats; he has a higher passing rate with a lower turnover rate; their rebound rates are nearly the same despite, atleast, a 9 inch difference in height; their TS and eFG percentages are nearly identical, despite CP3 taking 176 3pters vs Magic's 39; CP3 put up better defensive numbers despite Magic playing on the better defensive team and finally, CP3 did not have Worthy, Kareem, Byron Scott, AC Green or Michael Cooper to help pad his passing numbers and take pressure off of him...

Just because you cannot breakdown and analyze stats, doesn't mean there isn't anyone who can.

Magic won league mvp over MJ, Bird, Hakeem, Barkley, Kareem, and the Lakers had the best record in the league. The league just had much better players at the time who all put up outstanding numbers. In 2009 you had CP3, Lebron, Wade who put up great numbers other than that not many guys did.

[Raph12]

Magic won league mvp over MJ, Bird, Hakeem, Barkley, Kareem, and the Lakers had the best record in the league. The league just had much better players at the time who all put up outstanding numbers. In 2009 you had CP3, Lebron, Wade who put up great numbers other than that not many guys did.

Lebron and Wade had better numbers in 2009 than any of those other guys and the Cavs won 66 games... Give CP3 the Lakers in 1987 and he wins MVP as well.

[JordansBulls]

Lebron and Wade had better numbers in 2009 than any of those other guys and the Cavs won 66 games... Give CP3 the Lakers in 1987 and he wins MVP as well.

Dude you obviously have no clue what PER is or how it is calculated. The more stars you have in the league the less the PER will be when the stars are productive.

[Patman]

Dude you obviously have no clue what PER is or how it is calculated. The more stars you have in the league the less the PER will be when the stars are productive.

again this is only partially true it's the average of all players so if you had more bad players then today you also would cancel out more stars. And when i look at the players of 09 i wouldn't call LeBron, Wade, Howard, Duncan, Kobe, dirk slouches so i don't see the big difference.
Honestly the argument that the lakers had the best record is a bit weak, Magic had Kareem and Worthy. Paul had david west and an over the hill Peja.

those 2 seasons are incredible close, both sport the same ORTG (the league avarage was also the same 108.3). CP3 has the slightly better defensive RTG and the higher usg%. Paul has the higher ast% and lower turnover%.

[KnicksorBust]

I'll take the point guard. I love Wade, but you can get production at the 2-guard position from other players.
I'd rather have my team's best player be a point guard than a shooting guard.

The current 2-guard position is thinner than point and it's not even close.

[JordansBulls]

again this is only partially true it's the average of all players so if you had more bad players then today you also would cancel out more stars. And when i look at the players of 09 i wouldn't call LeBron, Wade, Howard, Duncan, Kobe, dirk slouches so i don't see the big difference.
Honestly the argument that the lakers had the best record is a bit weak, Magic had Kareem and Worthy. Paul had david west and an over the hill Peja.

those 2 seasons are incredible close, both sport the same ORTG (the league avarage was also the same 108.3). CP3 has the slightly better defensive RTG and the higher usg%. Paul has the higher ast% and lower turnover%.

The more bigs you have in the league in there prime the harder it is for you to have a higher PER because of how productive and efficient the bigs are.

[SugeKnight]

I'll take the point guard. I love Wade, but you can get production at the 2-guard position from other players.

I'd rather have my team's best player be a point guard than a shooting guard.

I'd take CP3 too, but a team whose best player is a PG has not won a championship since 04 with Billups and that's arguable.You have to go all the back to Isiah Thomas after Billups.

[Raph12]

Dude you obviously have no clue what PER is or how it is calculated. The more stars you have in the league the less the PER will be when the stars are productive.

Again you can't compare eras, you can only compare players dominance vs his own era to the dominance of the opposing player vs his own era... In an era dominated by PGs, CP3 is head-and-shoulders better than any other and was that much better than he is now, before his injuries.

[Delusional]

I'd take CP3 too, but a team whose best player is a PG has not won a championship since 04 with Billups and that's arguable.You have to go all the back to Isiah Thomas after Billups.

That is true, but the NBA of today is a PG dominant league. Guys like CP3, D-Will, Rose, Rondo, and Nash are the focal points of their offenses. Rondo is the only player on that list who has a ring, but to go with what you said, he wasn't the best player of the 2008 Celtics team.

I digress with that.
What I am saying though is that you don't find great point guards as often as great shooting guards. Instead of teams building around centers as in the past, the shift has gone to the point guard being the franchise player.

All that being said, you can bet that I would take Chris Paul to run my team before I took Dwayne Wade. It's harder to find facilitators than it is scorers.

[JoyRide]

very tough choice , but i'd take Wade because i think he's more consistent and a better defender

[NetsPaint]

Wade has something a prime Paul doesn't have, and Paul had a rare edge in his prime too. That's how great Wade is.

[Ajwyeahhh]

Wade easilly

[JordansBulls]

Wade has something a prime Paul doesn't have, and Paul had a rare edge in his prime too. That's how great Wade is.

And that is the ability to perform on the highest stage even as an underdog.