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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkais9009 View Post
    we dont have the money to spend on a big bat anymore... i think MO is just going to hope that Wainwright coming back, Furcal coming back, and an improved bullpen for the whole season makes up for Pujols leaving.

    at best, we have like 8 million left to spend.
    lets just give prince 25 mill and say screw you albert!!!! anyone with me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDirt05 View Post
    lets just give prince 25 mill and say screw you albert!!!! anyone with me?
    haha dont get me wrong, i'd love that

    but i wouldnt get my hopes up if i was you lol

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    i gotta get excited about something

    the rams suck so the only thing i have to look forward to is justin blackmon

    Brandon Roy just retired so now all i have is LMA

    I just realized i lost my two favorite players within 24 hrs this is horrible week for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDirt05 View Post
    i gotta get excited about something

    the rams suck so the only thing i have to look forward to is justin blackmon

    Brandon Roy just retired so now all i have is LMA

    I just realized i lost my two favorite players within 24 hrs this is horrible week for me
    I'm about to lose Dwight Howard with my Magic so I hear ya homie

    If Fielder came here he'd be worshiped lol especially after Pujols leaving the way he did
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    I didn't want to throw this information out here. I was a 3 year varsity starter at QB in high school. I played quarterback in junior college as well. I was considering playing division 1 football as well but chose to pursue my career in business instead. However, currently I am helping train with Derek Carr from Fresno State get ready for his pro day and the draft. I am also working with Cody Kessler, the USC quarterback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapjuicer06 View Post
    I'm about to lose Dwight Howard with my Magic so I hear ya homie

    If Fielder came here he'd be worshiped lol especially after Pujols leaving the way he did
    ha we would prolly give him a ring because honestly we wouldn't have won the series if it wasnt for his home run off cj in the All star game we should just sign him for giving us the home field in the series

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    Bernie Miklasz posted some things I didn't know about the Cardinals finances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie Miklasz
    One correction: while no one, and certainly me, should depict the Cardinals as some financially-stressed franchise, I'm not sure why some still believe that "taxpayers" built the new stadium.

    The Cardinals paid for about 75-78 percent of the cost. (Sorry, can't remember the exact figure and don't have time to look it up.) At the time of the deal, only the San Francisco Giants had put more of their own money into the construction of a new ballpark.

    Andrew Zimbalist -- the sports-finance expert who has for many years railed against communities that roll over and pick up the new-stadium tab for wealthy franchises -- praised how the new Busch was financed.

    And then there's debt load. According to Forbes the Cardinals entered 2011 with $275 million in debt obligations compared to $75 million for the Angels. Only the Cubs, Mets, Dodgers, and Rangers had more debt obligations than the Cardinals entering 2011.

    Sneer at that if you must but I think we can agree that Forbes does objective studies.

    As for the Pujols contract?

    "I think baseball needs to have a steroid-testing policy for owners," said Andrew Zimbalist, a sports economics profesor at Smith College.

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    So skip is gonna cost us 1.5 or so this season?? i guess....

    that knocks the 8 million or so to spend to closer to 10 million i would say

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    Updated with Skips official salary. Payroll for the 1st 21 players signed right now is 93.285M. Factor in that the backup Catcher is going to be a bryan anderson type, add another $440k. The payroll they have for the 25 man has about 16m left. If they can unload Westbrook/Lohse, that number could grow by another 20M+... They could really and realistically afford a big name bat, like a Prince Fielder. Even if its not this year, next year they would have enough to sign any player they want...
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    I think the Cardinals should be going after Cuddyer! With the Twins close to signing Willingham we just have to make him an offer close to what the Rockies are offering.
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    The reason I like Beltran over Cuddyer is his defense, his ability to play center, and that he is a switch hitter.

    That, and he may not require a three year deal.

    Cuddyer can play first and third, but we don't really need that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmd2k View Post
    Updated with Skips official salary. Payroll for the 1st 21 players signed right now is 93.285M. Factor in that the backup Catcher is going to be a bryan anderson type, add another $440k. The payroll they have for the 25 man has about 16m left. If they can unload Westbrook/Lohse, that number could grow by another 20M+... They could really and realistically afford a big name bat, like a Prince Fielder. Even if its not this year, next year they would have enough to sign any player they want...

    You need to remember that they are paying a full 40 man roster at least 440k.

    You might as well make 22-40 - 440k until something else changes (which we still have to work out a deal with Motte and McClellan still as well). I would list MLBTR arb estimates for each for now.

    EDIT: Went ahead and did this
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    bpm, I hope you don't mind, but I went ahead and updated everything to show the full 40 man roster, which needs to be accounted for when discussing next season.
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    A lot does depend how much McClellan and Motte make in 2012, I think it's important to try and lock up Motte for a few years while they still can for cheap though.

    We should have around 7 million or so to spend on a loogy and on outfield depth. I'm sure there is some wiggle room of course, but I'm not sure how much is really there.
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    The Payroll is for 25 guys. Not every guy on the 40 man makes 440k... Those guys that have under a year of service in the majors make $67,300 or guys that have no ML service time, they make $33,700. So, for this sake, we are looking at a 25 man total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    bpm, I hope you don't mind, but I went ahead and updated everything to show the full 40 man roster, which needs to be accounted for when discussing next season.
    Yeah except that is wrong. See post above.
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