Nym 2012 thread

[Vintage]

(1)

(2)

(3) Ike Davis 1B

(4) Lucas Duda RF

(5) David Wright 3B

(6) Jason Bay LF

(7) Daniel Murphy 2B

(8) Josh Thole C


Rotation

(1) Johan Santana LHP
(2) RA Dickey RHP
(3) Jon Niese LHP
(4) Dillon Gee RHP
(5)

Bullpen

(1) CP
(2) Pedro Beato SU
(3) Bobby Parnell MR
(4) Manny Acosta MR
(5) MR
(6) LGY
(7) LR

[patrickny209]

What if you're wrong?

[Zmaster52]

Upton is no better than Pagan.

[Paulie6986]

I find it simply amazing how people fantasize about trades, free agents signing,etc. Why don't some of you guys wait for the real world to take over in the off-season and see how SA continues to do it the professional way.

All these make believe trades you guys come up with is strictly waving your own magic wand. It's all nothing but........maroonic stuff.....

[Vintage]

Upton is no better than Pagan.

BJ Upton is 5 years younger than Pagan, is on the block, has a better arm and range, and is a 4 WAR player.

Not to mention Upton has more stolen bases, Xbh's, Homeruns, RBI's, SLG %, and OPS.

[Zmaster52]

I never understood why people always wanted Upton. He's a mediocre player at best.

"With the right managing he could be a superstar blah blah" key word is could. I'm not willing to take that risk on a 4th outfielder.

[patrickny209]

I find it simply amazing how people fantasize about trades, free agents signing,etc. Why don't some of you guys wait for the real world to take over in the off-season and see how SA continues to do it the professional way.

All these make believe trades you guys come up with is strictly waving your own magic wand. It's all nothing but........maroonic stuff.....

Your sig is compelling me to post again

And yeah, usually these annoying speculation threads don't start until maybe the end of the season. Guess it's gonna be a loooooong fall and winter around here.

[Zmaster52]

BJ Upton is 5 years younger than Pagan, is on the block, has a better arm and range, and is a 4 WAR player.

Not to mention Upton has more stolen bases, Xbh's, Homeruns, RBI's, SLG %, and OPS.

Upton's career numbers have been awful since 2007. His OBP is .308, he may be a better long term option but, I don't see pagan being here for more than 3 years. Upton is also a guy who strikes out 100+ times a year, he isn't a good player at all. I don't think I need much evidence to support that.

[Vintage]

I never understood why people always wanted Upton. He's a mediocre player at best.

"With the right managing he could be a superstar blah blah" key word is could. I'm not willing to take that risk on a 4th outfielder.

Lol @ BJ Upton being a 4th outfielder. He's easily starting caliber in this league and has insane playoff numbers.

His speed and cannon of an arm would fit perfectly in CF and behind Reyes in the 2 spot

[Vintage]

Upton's career numbers have been awful since 2007. His OBP is .308, he may be a better long term option but, I don't see pagan being here for more than 3 years. Upton is also a guy who strikes out 100+ times a year, he isn't a good player at all. I don't think I need much evidence to support that.

His OBP is low and thats because he doesn't take walks this season .. with age and a change of scenary, I believe he will.

Even with a low OBP this year (for his Career Upton is .340, Pagan is .331) Upton has still managed to post an OPS in the 7's .. that means he's slugging .400's which is perfect, and right near his career totals.

A 26 year old on the block who steals 30 bases, hits .250, knocks in 80 RBI, posts a .750 OPS, and averages about 25 XBH's a season ( still hasnt reached his prime ) is a guy who I personally would take a shot on over Pagan a non tender candidate.

[Zmaster52]

Lol @ BJ Upton being a 4th outfielder. He's easily starting caliber in this league and has insane playoff numbers.

His speed and cannon of an arm would fit perfectly in CF and behind Reyes in the 2 spot

You're acting as if he's the best outfielder in baseball. In this league? Maybe. You don't know how he'd fair in the NL.

And sure he has speed and a good arm but, so does Pagan. Playoff numbers are irrelevant, the Mets haven't been to the playoffs since 06 so, what good is that? there are plenty of guys that would fit behind Reyes but, somebody who's a career .256 hitter does not belong anywhere but the bottom of the lineup.

[KingsOfQueens]

I like these threads when I'm bored. So I'm gonna play.

2013

SS - Jose Reyes (5/100)
2B - Reese Havens
CF - Matt Kemp (7/145)
1B - Ike Davis
3B - David Wright
RF - Lucas Duda
LF - Jason Bay (Final Year)/Kirk Niuwhenhuis/Fernando Martinez/Cory Vaughn
C - Miguel Montero (4/50)

Santana (Final Year)
Niese
Gee
Harvey
Mejia

[Vintage]

You're acting as if he's the best outfielder in baseball. In this league? Maybe. You don't know how he'd fair in the NL.

And sure he has speed and a good arm but, so does Pagan. Playoff numbers are irrelevant, the Mets haven't been to the playoffs since 06 so, what good is that? there are plenty of guys that would fit behind Reyes but, somebody who's a career .256 hitter does not belong anywhere but the bottom of the lineup.

What other outfielder, in their mid 20's is on the market?

Find me a better CF than Upton (in production and age) that is on the open market and then we can talk.

A trade similar to the one the Yankees made for Curtis Granderson would be ideal for this club. Unfortunately there are no 25+ CF's being shopped besides BJ Upton (and Logan Morrison, but he can't place CF)

[Zmaster52]

His OBP is low and thats because he doesn't take walks .. with age, I believe he will.

Even with a low OBP this year (for his Career Upton is .340, Pagan is .331) Upton has still managed to post an OPS in the 7's .. that means he's slugging .400's which is perfect, and right near his career totals.

A 26 year old on the block who steals 30 bases, hits .250, knocks in 80 RBI, posts a .750 OPS, and averages about 25 XBH's a season ( still hasnt reached his prime ) is a guy who I personally would take a shot on over Pagan a non tender candidate.

Your belief means nothing, as you get older doesn't mean you'll walk more, he's been in the league for 7 years, maybe we should give him 15? And, Upton hasn't had an "eye catching" year since 2008. Okay he has a good OPS, i'll give you that much. RBI is an irrelevant stat, if he was on a team such as the Padres, he'd have significantly less, RBI is a flawed stat. And you don't know if he'll do any better, I mean granted, I would take him if I could but, i'd rather Pagan at this point even with the down year. They're different players, it's hard to compare the two

[Vintage]

If Pagan does get Non Tendered like he is supposed to (not that I want him to, but he and Pelfrey are candidates), this Mets team is going to need to find an upgrade for CF.

We are set at the corners with Bay and Duda and can go in house with Capt. Kirk or Matt Den Decker, but I question if they are the guys you want in CF when making a run for the playoffs.