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    Usage rates and PER, 2007-2012

    There was a debate in the Nuggets forum about whether Manu was a "superstar" player and I did this chart up to show that he should at least be in the conversation. Thought as long as I'd already done it, may as well post it here, too. Most of you will recognize that it's inspired by recently done work at Paroxysm. The cutoffs (21.5+ PER, 21+ usg%) are somewhat arbitrary, and mainly set where they're at just to unclutter the chart of too many dots.

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    This is a chart of all (qualified by minutes and games) NBA players from 2007-2012 who in a single season ended up with a PER of 21.5 or higher and a usage rate of 21% or higher. The importance of the usage rate is that it indicates what percentage of his team's possessions a player is using while he's on the court. The axis along the bottom indicates PER, the axis along the left indicates usage rate. In the past 5 seasons, 35 players passed this threshold, some more than once, for a total of 85 times. The only players to be there all 5 seasons were CP3, Dwight, Dirk, Wade, Kobe, LBJ, Manu and Duncan.





    Here's the raw data:

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    	PER	USG%
    LBJ	31.7	33.8
    LBJ	31.1	33.5
    LBJ	30.7	32
    DW	30.4	36.2
    CP	30	27.5
    LBJ	29.1	33.5
    CP	28.3	25.7
    DW	28	34.9
    AS	27.6	28.2
    LBJ	27.3	31.5
    CP	27	24.3
    DW	26.3	31.3
    KD	26.2	31.3
    KD	26.2	32
    DH	26	27.2
    DW	25.6	31.6
    DH	25.4	26.1
    KL	25.4	28.8
    KG	25.3	25.5
    CB	25	28.7
    TD	24.7	26
    DN	24.6	28.8
    KB	24.4	32.2
    TD	24.4	28.5
    TD	24.4	28.2
    MG	24.3	28.7
    KL	24.3	22.9
    KB	24.2	31.4
    DH	24.2	26.1
    MG	24.1	22.7
    DH	24	23.9
    BR	24	27.4
    KB	23.9	35.1
    CB	23.8	27.7
    CP	23.7	21.1
    CP	23.7	22.2
    ChB	23.6	23
    KD	23.6	30.6
    RW	23.6	31.6
    DR	23.5	32.2
    BG	23.4	26.6
    DN	23.4	28.2
    TP	23.4	31.7
    PG	23.3	21.8
    AJ	23.1	28.9
    DN	23.1	30.3
    DR	23	30.5
    AB	22.9	23.8
    PG	22.9	21.4
    MG	22.9	27.2
    DH	22.9	24.2
    DN	22.9	28.8
    RW	22.9	32.7
    AJ	22.8	25.7
    LMA	22.7	27
    AJ	22.7	27.5
    YM	22.7	26.2
    AS	22.7	30.9
    ZR	22.6	25
    AS	22.6	27.3
    TD	22.5	26.2
    MG	22.5	25.8
    YM	22.5	27.1
    SO	22.3	24.2
    CA	22.2	33.4
    DL	22.2	23.8
    CB	22.1	26.9
    GM	22	23.6
    TP	22	27.7
    ClsB	21.9	26.6
    KB	21.9	35.7
    KB	21.9	32.3
    TD	21.9	22.9
    BG	21.9	27.3
    DG	21.8	29.6
    PM	21.8	23.2
    CA	21.7	32
    DMC	21.7	29.7
    MG	21.7	26
    DN	21.7	29.2
    PG	21.6	22.1
    DH	21.6	28.4
    SN	21.6	22.9
    LMA	21.5	25.7
    DW	21.5	33.1
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    He's not a "superstar." He's one of the greatest sidekicks of all-time though. Along the lines of a McHale/Pippen. Unless you had a 70s Knicks/2000s Pistons type balance, you won't win with Manu as your #1.

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    If Melo is considered a superstar then Manu is without a doubt a superstar


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    Yeah, I'm really not into the whole arbitrary "star"/"superstar" terminology, since it's so vague. The main thing I wanted to demonstrate was that the posters I was talking to were pretty clearly underrating Manu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    If Melo is considered a superstar then Manu is without a doubt a superstar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    If Melo is considered a superstar then Manu is without a doubt a superstar
    How so?
    "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships."
    - Michael Jordan

    Thanks MJ-Bulls for the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordansBulls View Post
    How so?
    "Efficiency" and "results" are the first two words that pop into my head, being too tired and about-to-go-to-bed right now to dig into statistical comparisons.

    That said, look again at the chart I posted. It's the intersection of only two metrics, but a really valid one imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JordansBulls View Post
    How so?
    Better player


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    If Melo is considered a superstar then Manu is without a doubt a superstar
    You don't actually think 'Melo is a superstar?

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    Sure why not?


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