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View Poll Results: who would you rather have

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  • ellsbury

    8 28.57%
  • kemp

    20 71.43%
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  1. #1
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    Who would you rather have?

    Jacoby Ellsbury or Matt Kemp
    Quote Originally Posted by Pavelb1 View Post
    The only thing that could hurt Beltre would be a Beltre clone...or a poison arrow to his Achilles Testicles.

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    matt kemp

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    Give me Matt Kemp.

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    kemp
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    Kemp without a doubt...

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    Dont know how is this even a debate, Kemp by alot

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    Career Stats

    Ellsbury/Kemp

    Games Played - 480/761

    OBP: .352/.347
    wOBA: .358/.361
    tAV: .279/.295

    UZR (OF): 30.6/-43.4

    WAR: 15.6/17.0

    WAR per game played: .0325/.0223

    Anyone who picks Kemp is ignoring defense entirely because Ellsbury is easily the more complete player.

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    tony womack
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    Matt Kemp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quiksilver2491 View Post
    Career Stats

    Ellsbury/Kemp

    Games Played - 480/761

    OBP: .352/.347
    wOBA: .358/.361
    tAV: .279/.295

    UZR (OF): 30.6/-43.4

    WAR: 15.6/17.0

    WAR per game played: .0325/.0223

    Anyone who picks Kemp is ignoring defense entirely because Ellsbury is easily the more complete player.
    Matt Kemp is the more complete player. Matt Kemp has 5 tools. Ellsbury has 3 IMO.

    Ellsbury has speed, contact, and this year has power. His defense is bad, he takes bad routes and has very bad jumps. Weak arm. Until he can consistently show power year in and year out, I'm not too sold on that tool yet.

    Matt Kemp is protected by a joke of a lineup, where as Ellsbury is protected by Agon, Pedroia, and Youk.

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    How is this even a question, Kemp

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    Quote Originally Posted by krisxsong View Post
    Matt Kemp is the more complete player. Matt Kemp has 5 tools. Ellsbury has 3 IMO.

    Ellsbury has speed, contact, and this year has power. His defense is bad, he takes bad routes and has very bad jumps. Weak arm. Until he can consistently show power year in and year out, I'm not too sold on that tool yet.

    Matt Kemp is protected by a joke of a lineup, where as Ellsbury is protected by Agon, Pedroia, and Youk.
    Well no. 1 Ellsbury has good defense. He had A bad year (every year but 09 he had a double digit positive UZR), not several negatives like Kemp. No. 2 Kemp has horrible defense so how does he have 5 tools? Also how are you protected by a lineup when you lead off?

    Ellsbury has 4 complete tools and so does Kemp.

    If we are taking this season and potential going forward it HAS to be Ellsbury.

    Second in WAR to Jose (7.9) at 7.8 and over a point higher than Kemp (6.8) pretty much has led the guy all season too (beside the rocky start).

    If we are talking career to date Kemp is the clear winner, BUT I'd still rather have Ells going forward.

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    kemp by far, ellsbury is just another overrated sox player

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    Quote Originally Posted by krisxsong View Post
    Matt Kemp is the more complete player. Matt Kemp has 5 tools. Ellsbury has 3 IMO.

    Ellsbury has speed, contact, and this year has power. His defense is bad, he takes bad routes and has very bad jumps. Weak arm. Until he can consistently show power year in and year out, I'm not too sold on that tool yet.

    Matt Kemp is protected by a joke of a lineup, where as Ellsbury is protected by Agon, Pedroia, and Youk.
    I'm guessing either you're incapable of comprehending statistical analysis or you just ignore it completely, either way..whether or not you're a big fan of UZR, the difference between Ellsbury and Kemp is so immense that there is no question who is the better defensive player. It's Ellsbury by a really large margin. BTW, you're using a scouting report from his rookie year, he has improved immensely at taking correct angles and is rarely out of position anymore.

    When you add the tool of defense to Ellsbury and take it away from Matt Kemp, using you're method of judging players the two would be equal at 4 tools for Ellsbury to 4 tools for Kemp. Ellsbury lacks the arm strength, the least important of all tools, while Kemp lacks a very vital one in defense.

    With that said, the way to a determine a players value isn't whoever has the most tools wins, that's elementary. Tools are extremely useful when looking at prospects in particular because we can see how well a player projects to MLB level talent, once a player is actually playing we don't need to use such labels considering the fact that they are already performing against the highest level of talent possible.

    Also, google it yourself but various studies indicate lineup protection is so minimal it is difficult to determine whether or not it exists at all, however that is a different topic entirely.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCBoSoxfan21 View Post
    If we are talking career to date Kemp is the clear winner, BUT I'd still rather have Ells going forward.
    No he's not, the only thing career wise that Kemp has over Ellsbury is his health.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qwertys View Post
    How is this even a question, Kemp
    You can make a statement about anything in the world, when you can't back it up it is meaningless...

    Quote Originally Posted by thenetslegend View Post
    kemp by far, ellsbury is just another overrated sox player
    Great reasoning
    Last edited by quiksilver2491; 09-08-2011 at 02:43 PM.

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    Offense - Kemp>Ellsbury
    Defense- Kemp<<<Ellsbury
    Base running - Kemp = Ellsbury

    I'd also like to consider Kemp will most likely get a big deal because his offensive numbers are better. If Ellsbury is making less money and has close to the same impact if not more I am going to take him.

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