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    Rank the Flyers' Players

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    A winning NHL team is a well-balanced team.

    Below is a list of player skills or assets.

    Our "new" Flyers' team -

    For the purpose of this thread, let’s assume that this is our 21-player Flyers team in October 2011:


    LW – C - RW

    Hartnell - Briere - Voracek
    vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Jagr
    Talbot - Schenn - Simmonds
    Sestito - Betts - Nodl


    LD - RD

    Carle - Pronger
    Timonen - Coburn
    Bartulis - Meszaros
    Lilja


    Bryzgalov
    Bobrovsky


    For the skill/asset categories below, and using these 21 players only, place player names that best fit and in rank order (best listed first) .

    From 1 name to 4 names in each category. No more than 4 per category, please.


    Example:

    Skaters - speed – Brown, Miller, Hulmonen, Zolmonov
    Muckers/grinders – Doran, Peterson


    Plug-in Flyers' players' names -


    Skill/Asset Categories

    Creativity, ice vision -
    Playmakers/passers (assists) –
    Goal scorers (total) -
    Snipers –
    Finishers –
    Garbage goals -
    Skaters – speed -
    Skaters – quickness -
    Puck possession –
    Power forwards –
    Hard forecheckers -
    Muckers/grinders -
    Forwards – Power Play –
    Hard workers –
    Energy players -
    Back-checkers -
    Forwards - defensive zone coverage –
    Forwards – full defensive specialist -
    Good positional players -
    Forwards – penalty killers -

    Defencemen with mobility –
    Defenceman – shot blocking –
    Defencemen – winning puck battles –
    Defencemen – clearing the crease -
    Defencemen – power play point -
    Defencemen – penalty killers -

    Size/strength -
    Overall toughness -
    Hitters -
    Pest/agitator -
    Fighters -

    Leaders -


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    LW – C - RW

    Hartnell - Briere - Voracek
    vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Jagr
    Talbot - Schenn - Simmonds
    Sestito - Betts - Nodl


    LD - RD

    Carle - Pronger
    Timonen - Coburn
    Bartulis - Meszaros
    Lilja


    Bryzgalov
    Bobrovsky


    Flyers' players in rank order -


    Skill/Asset Categories

    Creativity, ice vision - Giroux, Briere
    Playmakers/passers (assists) – Schenn, Giroux, Voracek
    Goal scorers (total) - Briere, Jagr
    Snipers – Jagr, vanRiemsdyk
    Finishers – vanRiemsdyk, Jagr
    Garbage goals - Hartnell, Briere
    Skaters – speed - vanRiemsdyk
    Skaters – quickness - Briere, Giroux
    Puck possession – Jagr, Voracek
    Power forwards – Hartnell, vanRiemsdyk, Jagr, Voracek
    Hard forecheckers - Simmonds, Talbot, Betts, Nodl
    Muckers/grinders - Hartnell, Voracek,
    Forwards – Power Play – Giroux, Briere, Jagr, vanRiemsdyk
    Hard workers – Giroux, Simmonds
    Energy players - Talbot, Simmonds
    Back-checkers - Voracek, Giroux
    Forwards - defensive zone coverage – Giroux, Schenn,
    Forwards – full defensive specialist - Betts
    Good positional players - Voracek, Schenn
    Forwards – penalty killers - Betts, Nodl, Giroux, Talbot

    Defencemen with mobility – Meszaros, Coburn, Carle, Bartulis
    Defenceman – shot blocking – Timonen, Meszaros
    Defencemen – winning puck battles – Coburn, Meszaros
    Defencemen – clearing the crease - Pronger, Meszaros
    Defencemen – power play point - Pronger, Meszaros
    Defencemen – penalty killers - Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros

    Size/strength - Meszaros, Pronger, Jagr, vanRiemsdyk
    Overall toughness - Simmonds, Sestito, Hartnell
    Hitters - Simmonds, Pronger, Meszaros, Giroux
    Pest/agitator - Talbot, Hartnell
    Fighters - Sestito, Hartnell, Schenn, Simmonds

    Leaders - Pronger, Timonen, Briere, Talbot


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    LW – C - RW

    vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Jagr : May not start the season as the first line, but will prove it in season.
    Hartnell - Briere - Voracek : Voracek will upgrade this line, over Leino. Briere needs to stay healthy and productive.
    Talbot - Schenn - Simmonds : A lot of unknown with this line, but all good additions.
    Sestito - Betts - Nodl : Not a big fan of Nodl, but like Sestito on the 4th with Betts. Maybe insert Matt Read??


    LD - RD

    Carle - Pronger : Prongs health concerns us all.
    Timonen - Coburn : When is Timonen gonna blow a wheel?
    Bartulis - Meszaros : Mesz is the man.
    Lilja


    Bryzgalov : Finally.
    Bobrovsky : Hopefully he can adapt to his new role


    Flyers' players in rank order -


    Skill/Asset Categories

    Creativity, ice vision - Giroux, Briere, JVR, Schenn
    Playmakers/passers (assists) – Schenn, Giroux, Voracek
    Goal scorers (total) - Briere, Jagr, JVR
    Snipers – Jagr, JVR
    Finishers – JVR, Jagr, Briere
    Garbage goals - Hartnell, JVR, Simmonds (everyone finds these)
    Skaters – speed - JVR
    Skaters – quickness - Briere, Giroux
    Puck possession – Jagr, Voracek, JVR
    Power forwards – JVR, Jagr, Voracek, Hartnell
    Hard forecheckers - Simmonds, Talbot, Betts
    Muckers/grinders - Hartnell, Voracek, Sestito
    Forwards – Power Play – Giroux, Briere, Jagr, JVR
    Hard workers – Giroux, Simmonds, JVR
    Energy players - JVR, Talbot, Simmonds
    Back-checkers - Voracek, Talbot, Giroux
    Forwards - defensive zone coverage – Giroux, Schenn
    Forwards – full defensive specialist - Betts
    Forwards – penalty killers - Betts, Nodl, Giroux, Talbot

    Defencemen with mobility – Timonen, Meszaros, Coburn, Carle
    Defenceman – shot blocking – Timonen, Meszaros
    Defencemen – winning puck battles – Coburn, Meszaros
    Defencemen – clearing the crease - Pronger, Meszaros
    Defencemen – power play point - Pronger, Meszaros
    Defencemen – penalty killers - Pronger, Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros

    Size/strength -Pronger, Meszaros, Jagr, vanRiemsdyk
    Overall toughness - Simmonds, Sestito, Hartnell
    Hitters - Simmonds, Pronger, Meszaros, Giroux
    Pest/agitator - Talbot, Hartnell, Sestito
    Fighters - Sestito, Simmonds, Hartnell (ha)

    Leaders - Pronger, Timonen, Briere, Talbot
    Future Leaders - Giroux, JVR

    Obviously you can tell I'm high on JVR.

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    PrizedFighter,

    I have a few minor questions (not criticisms, I'm just curious why you placed certain players where):

    1. Why did you place Schenn and JVR ahead of Jagr and Voracek in terms of on-ice vision and creativity?

    2. For total goal scorers, why not list Giroux? He had 25 last season, and the potential seems there for him to net 30 or so next season.

    Again, I'm just curious of the reasoning behind these choices.

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    Skill/Asset Categories

    Creativity, ice vision - Giroux, Briere, Jagr
    Playmakers/passers (assists) – Giroux, Voracek
    Goal scorers (total) - Briere, Van Riemsdyk
    Snipers – Van Riemsdyk, Briere, Jagr
    Finishers – Briere, Van Riemsdyk, Jagr
    Garbage goals - Hartnell
    Skaters – speed - Coburn, JVR
    Skaters – quickness - Giroux
    Puck possession – Giroux, Jagr
    Power forwards – Hartnell, JVR, Jagr
    Hard forecheckers - Hartnell
    Muckers/grinders - Nodl, Betts, Sestito, Simmonds
    Forwards – Power Play – Briere, Giroux, Jagr, JVR
    Hard workers – Briere, Timonen, Giroux, JVR
    Energy players - Sestito, Talbot
    Back-checkers - Giroux, Schenn, Nodl, Talbot
    Forwards - defensive zone coverage – Giroux, Talbot
    Forwards – full defensive specialist - Betts
    Good positional players - ?
    Forwards – penalty killers - Betts, Talbot, Giroux, Nodl

    Defencemen with mobility – Meszaros, Coburn, Timonen, Carle
    Defenceman – shot blocking – Meszaros, Pronger, Timonen
    Defencemen – winning puck battles – Pronger, Meszaros, Coburn
    Defencemen – clearing the crease - Pronger, Meszaros, Coburn
    Defencemen – power play point - (shot)Pronger, Meszaros, (non shot) Carle, Kimmo
    Defencemen – penalty killers -Pronger, Timonen, Meszaros, Coburn

    Size/strength - Pronger, Coburn, Shelley, Hartnell
    Overall toughness - Shelley, Testito
    Hitters - Simmonds
    Pest/agitator - Talbot, Sestito
    Fighters - Shelley, Testito

    Leaders - Briere, Pronger, Timonen, Giroux

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace23 View Post
    1. Why did you place Schenn and JVR ahead of Jagr and Voracek in terms of on-ice vision and creativity?

    2. For total goal scorers, why not list Giroux? He had 25 last season, and the potential seems there for him to net 30 or so next season.
    1. Jagr would have been 5, but honestly he probably should have been 4 over Schenn. Jagr hasn't played NHL hockey for some time now. He'll probably need some time to knock off some rust and re acclimate himself with the game over here. Yes this may not have a whole lot to do with vision and creativity, but the ability to execute, off of what he sees and wants to do, will be a bit of a process (especially with new line mates). I think Jagr has a very good year for us.

    I don't really know much about Voracek (haven't seen him play too much); I guess I could try and find some videos, but I'd rather just wait and watch him in a Flyers uni.

    Guess I just gave Schenn the benefit of doubt for being the 'young talent'.

    2. You are very correct Giroux could have been (and again prob should have) included. He obviously is a pass first player; I think this will keep him from getting too far over the 35 goal mark. He needs to improve at realizing when his shot is the better option then dumping the puck to someone else.

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