PSD's Top 50 List of the Greatest NBA Players of All Time

[JordansBulls]

We will use this thread for mainly just tracking the rankings. As a player's ranking is established then they will be listed here.

The List:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Oscar Robertson
12. Moses Malone
13. Jerry West
14. Karl Malone
15. Julius Erving
16. David Robinson
17. Charles Barkley
18. John Stockton
19. George Mikan
20. Kevin Garnett
21. LeBron James
22. Dirk Nowitzki
23. Bob Pettit
24. John Havlicek
25. Elgin Baylor
26. Dwyane Wade
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Rick Barry
29. Isiah Thomas
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Bob Cousy
32. Walt Frazier
33. Clyde Drexler
34. Gary Payton
35. Jason Kidd
36. Kevin Mchale
37. Allen Iverson
38. Steve Nash
39. Bill Walton
40. George Gervin
41. Willis Reed
42. Dominique Wilkins
43. Reggie Miller
44. James Worthy
45. Paul Pierce
46. Sam Jones
47. Elvin Hayes
48. Tracy Mcgrady
49. Robert Parish
50. Alonzo Mourning

[asandhu23]

Why is Kareem higher than Wilt?

[tredigs]

Why is Kareem higher than Wilt?

Ehh - rhetorical? Click on the thread (Kareem's name) and you'll find pages and pages of reasons why people chose him ahead.

I'd be more curious why Wilt garnered so many more votes than Bill.

[Raph12]

Ehh - rhetorical? Click on the thread (Kareem's name) and you'll find pages and pages of reasons why people chose him ahead.

I'd be more curious why Wilt garnered so many more votes than Bill.

Let's not overdo it here, Kareem was better than Wilt, but Bill was not anywhere near that level of dominance. It's pretty close in every aspect besides scoring, where Wilt was an dominant and yet very efficient machine, while Bill made AI look like god... No contest, put Wilt on that Celts team and they win 13 of 13.

[tredigs]

Let's not overdo it here, Kareem was better than Wilt, but Bill was not anywhere near that level of dominance. It's pretty close in every aspect besides scoring, where Wilt was an dominant and yet very efficient machine, while Bill made AI look like god... No contest, put Wilt on that Celts team and they win 13 of 13.

Sigh.


...I started to, but I just don't have the energy for another one of these today. Eh actually I'll play a little...

In short: Individual talent? Wilt > Bill. Defense/leadership? Bill >>> Wilt (dude was still leading the team to Championships as a PLAYER/COACH for God's sake. And that was when Wilt was with Jerry West on the Lakers and HEAVILY FAVORED to beat Boston). And c'mon Raph, you are obviously significantly underrating Russel's offense - who was an incredible passer for a big, had relatively high efficiency for his era relative to the competition (top ten in efficiency multiple years), and flat out was the smartest/grittiest player on the court every night from every account I've read and games I've watched.

Sort of reminds me of Duncan and Howards shot-blocking in 2008. Where Duncan's were worth 1.12 ppb (highest in the NBA), and Howards were worth 0.53 ppb (worst in the NBA). Some players put up great counting stats, others play to win, or at least do so at a much smarter/more efficient way than another.

Bill won when he was supposed to win, yes, but he also won when he wasn't supposed to win. I understand that the Celtics generally had the far better roster and that should not go unnoticed in any way, but given the choice of a player to build around in that era, I'm taking Bill every time.

[FlakeyFool]

I don't care what the haters say, I'd take Bosh any day

[B'sCeltsPatsSox]

Sigh.


...I started to, but I just don't have the energy for another one of these today. Eh actually I'll play a little...

In short: Individual talent? Wilt > Bill. Defense/leadership? Bill >>> Wilt (dude was still leading the team to Championships as a PLAYER/COACH for God's sake. And that was when Wilt was with Jerry West on the Lakers and HEAVILY FAVORED to beat Boston). And c'mon Raph, you are obviously significantly underrating Russel's offense - who was an incredible passer for a big, had relatively high efficiency for his era relative to the competition (top ten in efficiency multiple years), and flat out was the smartest/grittiest player on the court every night from every account I've read and games I've watched.

Sort of reminds me of Duncan and Howards shot-blocking in 2008. Where Duncan's were worth 1.12 ppb (highest in the NBA), and Howards were worth 0.53 ppb (worst in the NBA). Some players put up great counting stats, others play to win, or at least do so at a much smarter/more efficient way than another.

Bill won when he was supposed to win, yes, but he also won when he wasn't supposed to win. I understand that the Celtics generally had the far better roster and that should not go unnoticed in any way, but given the choice of a player to build around in that era, I'm taking Bill every time.

This.

[juggla53]

Sigh.


...I started to, but I just don't have the energy for another one of these today. Eh actually I'll play a little...

In short: Individual talent? Wilt > Bill. Defense/leadership? Bill >>> Wilt (dude was still leading the team to Championships as a PLAYER/COACH for God's sake. And that was when Wilt was with Jerry West on the Lakers and HEAVILY FAVORED to beat Boston). And c'mon Raph, you are obviously significantly underrating Russel's offense - who was an incredible passer for a big, had relatively high efficiency for his era relative to the competition (top ten in efficiency multiple years), and flat out was the smartest/grittiest player on the court every night from every account I've read and games I've watched.

Sort of reminds me of Duncan and Howards shot-blocking in 2008. Where Duncan's were worth 1.12 ppb (highest in the NBA), and Howards were worth 0.53 ppb (worst in the NBA). Some players put up great counting stats, others play to win, or at least do so at a much smarter/more efficient way than another.

Bill won when he was supposed to win, yes, but he also won when he wasn't supposed to win. I understand that the Celtics generally had the far better roster and that should not go unnoticed in any way, but given the choice of a player to build around in that era, I'm taking Bill every time.

and you would be right in that selection provided you had five other hall of famers on your team who couldnt go anywhere else because there was no free agency

[BCpatsox18]

Let's not overdo it here, Kareem was better than Wilt, but Bill was not anywhere near that level of dominance. It's pretty close in every aspect besides scoring, where Wilt was an dominant and yet very efficient machine, while Bill made AI look like god... No contest, put Wilt on that Celts team and they win 13 of 13.

bill russell had more around him so he didnt have to score as much, wilt had to carry his teams most of his career. thats why scoring isnt close. bill at least equals wilt

[THE MTL]

Let's not overdo it here, Kareem was better than Wilt, but Bill was not anywhere near that level of dominance. It's pretty close in every aspect besides scoring, where Wilt was an dominant and yet very efficient machine, while Bill made AI look like god... No contest, put Wilt on that Celts team and they win 13 of 13.

Ignorance....

[JordansBulls]

Ignorance....

Agreed, Wilt didn't even win with a guy averaging nearly 40 ppg in the finals on his team.

[Mr Haha]

Why is Kareem higher than Wilt?

As soon as I saw that, I stopped voting in this thread.

[Chronz]

As soon as I saw that, I stopped voting in this thread.

Thank you for that BTW

[JordansBulls]

If Lebron wins league and finals mvp again this year he is in the top 6-7 player all time. His peak will be as good as MJ's and Shaq if he does what he is doing in the playoffs and finals. And I'm not even a Lebron James fan.

[Money_23]

If Lebron wins league and finals mvp again this year he is in the top 6-7 player all time. His peak will be as good as MJ's and Shaq if he does what he is doing in the playoffs and finals. And I'm not even a Lebron James fan.

here's my opinion: if he wins MVP and FMVP this year
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Lebron