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    I'm suprised at how big the Flyers got this off-season. I was looking at the numbers and here are the Heights of all the Flyers. Couple that with Lavi's aggresive Forecheck and I think that we will suprise people that expect us to take a step back this year. Do I still want a true goal scorer, yes, but take a look at these lines:

    JVR (6'3") Giroux (5'11") Jagr (6'3")- I think this line is going to light up the score sheet. Giroux's ability to find anyone at any time with a pass coupled with Jagr's ability to use his body and speed to manuvere around defense, and open up space for his line mates is going to be huge... All JVR will have to do is drive the net, get a call or 2, and pick up the trash...

    Hartnell (6'2") Briere (5'10") Vorachek (6'2")- This is going to be a repeat of the Leino line... Vorachek has the ability to pass just like Leino did, and I think he will be able to dig pucks out more then Leino did... A very solid 2nd line.

    Schenn (6'1") Couturier (6'3") Simmonds (6'2")- This reminds me of the JVR-Giroux-Asham line from 3 years ago... Simmonds protects Schenn and Couturier, but with thier size and thier abilities they should be able to produce more. In addition, Schenn and Couturier are more defensive responcible then Giroux and JVR were, and could step right in and play.

    Talbot (5'11") Betts (6'3") Nodl (6'1")- Hopefully this can be an energy line like the Betts Lappy and Carcillo line from 3 years ago... At the very least it is a SOLID shut-down line.

    Pronger (6'6") Coburn (6'5")- Philly's version of the 2 towers... I think Coburn stepped up his game enough to jump on the first pairing.

    Timonen (5'10") Gustafsson (5'10")- Have similar playing styles. I couldnt think of a better role-model for Gusta then Timonen. Both are also excellent skaters and can be used to match up against another team's speedy talent.

    Carle (6'0") -Meszaros (6'2")- I think this would also be a solid pairing... Carle and Meszaros could compliment eachother nicely.

    If we need to inject the line-up with some tough stuff we could add Sestito (6'5").

    And then we have
    Bryzgalov
    Bobrovsky
    Last edited by Youarewrong; 07-07-2011 at 04:13 PM. Reason: PORTA POTTY
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youarewrong View Post
    I'm suprised at how big the Flyers got this off-season. I was looking at the numbers and here are the Heights of all the Flyers. Couple that with Lavi's aggresive Forecheck and I think that we will suprise people that expect us to take a step back this year. Do I still want a true goal scorer, yes, but take a look at these lines:

    JVR (6'3") Giroux (5'11") Jagr (6'3")- I think this line is going to light up the score sheet. Giroux's ability to find anyone at any time with a pass coupled with Jagr's ability to use his body and speed to manuvere around defense, and open up space for his line mates is going to be huge... All JVR will have to do is drive the net, get a call or 2, and pick up the trash...

    Hartnell (6'2") Briere (5'10") Vorachek (6'2")- This is going to be a repeat of the Leino line... Vorachek has the ability to pass just like Leino did, and I think he will be able to dig pucks out more then Leino did... A very solid 2nd line.

    Schenn (6'1") Couturier (6'3") Simmonds (6'2")- This reminds me of the JVR-Giroux-Asham line from 3 years ago... Simmonds protects Schenn and Couturier, but with thier size and thier abilities they should be able to produce more. In addition, Schenn and Couturier are more defensive responcible then Giroux and JVR were, and could step right in and play.

    Talbot (5'11") Betts (6'3") Nodl (6'1")- Hopefully this can be an energy line like the Betts Lappy and Carcillo line from 3 years ago... At the very least it is a SOLID shut-down line.

    Pronger (6'6") Coburn (6'5")- Philly's version of the 2 towers... I think Coburn stepped up his game enough to jump on the first pairing.

    Timonen (5'10") Gustafsson (5'10")- Fellow Countrymen, and similar playing styles. I couldnt think of a better role-model for Gusta then Timonen. Both are also excellent skaters and can be used to match up against another team's speedy talent.

    Carle (6'0") -Meszaros (6'2")- I think this would also be a solid pairing... Carle and Meszaros could compliment eachother nicely.

    If we need to inject the line-up with some tough stuff we could add Sestito (6'5").

    And then we have
    Bryzgalov
    Bobrovsky

    i like it. only thing i would change would be the D pairings.

    Pronger - Carle
    Timonen - Coburn
    Meszaros - Gustaffson


    top 4 have been together the last 2 years. no need to break up that kind of chemistry. meszaros and gustaffson can really click, i believe. meszaros being the big enforcer, rough 'em up defender, and gus being the speedy, light on his skates, timonen-type. could be another pronger - carle type pairing.

    other reason for these being timonen and gus makes them a little small as a pair. once playoffs roll around bigger teams can take advantage of that. better off having size on every pairing i think so they can't be taken advantage of.



    as far as the forward lines, those are the exact lines i have envisioned, with sestito subbing in against bigger teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyeaglesman View Post
    i like it. only thing i would change would be the D pairings.

    Pronger - Carle
    Timonen - Coburn
    Meszaros - Gustaffson


    top 4 have been together the last 2 years. no need to break up that kind of chemistry. meszaros and gustaffson can really click, i believe. meszaros being the big enforcer, rough 'em up defender, and gus being the speedy, light on his skates, timonen-type. could be another pronger - carle type pairing.

    other reason for these being timonen and gus makes them a little small as a pair. once playoffs roll around bigger teams can take advantage of that. better off having size on every pairing i think so they can't be taken advantage of.



    as far as the forward lines, those are the exact lines i have envisioned, with sestito subbing in against bigger teams.
    There are 2 reasons I would like to see Gustafsson pair with Timonen. First, Gustafsson's game is a lot like Timonen's and it would benefit him to learn at his side. And Second, I think we need a defensive tandem that can handle the speedy lines of the opposition. You dont always need a big defenseman on every line. It will be nice to have 2 defenseman that can take offensive chances and both be able to skate back into the zone quickly.
    Last edited by Youarewrong; 07-07-2011 at 04:14 PM. Reason: PORTA POTTY
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    they share nationality??? Last I checked, Gustafsson was from Sweden and Kimmo was from Finland...thats like saying the russians and the poles are the same...why do people not check their facts before posting...between this and 1908 Cubs stating multiple times, after being corrected each time, that Stamkos scored 50 goals when in fact he did not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by porterpotty28 View Post
    they share nationality??? Last I checked, Gustafsson was from Sweden and Kimmo was from Finland...thats like saying the russians and the poles are the same...why do people not check their facts before posting...between this and 1908 Cubs stating multiple times, after being corrected each time, that Stamkos scored 50 goals when in fact he did not...
    OMG give me a break... Sweden and Finland are right next to eachother... They share a boarder... And a lot of people from Finland speak Swedish... My point remains the same...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youarewrong View Post
    OMG give me a break... Sweden and Finland are right next to eachother... They share a boarder... And a lot of people from Finland speak Swedish... My point remains the same...
    LOL how can I give you a break when your whole point was based around them being from the same country and speaking the same language???? sorry but that is just unforgiveable!! hahaha...YOUAREWRONG...you have to admit...that was a blatantly wrong and irresponsible post. regardless...Some americans speak swedish...some speak finn...doesnt change the fact that youWEREwrong...ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youarewrong View Post
    OMG give me a break... Sweden and Finland are right next to eachother... They share a boarder... And a lot of people from Finland speak Swedish... My point remains the same...
    Funniest post ever!! We share a boarder with Mexico, are we the same? Is there a language barrier between us? C'mon man!! Swede's and Fin's don't even like each other!! Besides, ever heard an interview with Kimmo? He has no problems with english.

    Anyway, Kimmo and Coburn are a good pairing that have played together for years. Plus, I don't want Gust playing Kimmo minutes and I don't want Kimmo playing only Gust minutes. And I mean even strength minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youarewrong View Post
    There are 3 reasons I would like to see Gustafsson pair with Timonen. First, they share a nationality and that greatly improves communication. They can talk without opps being able to understand. Second, Gustafsson's game is a lot like Timonen's and it would benefit him to learn at his side. And Third, I think we need a defensive tandem that can handle the speedy lines of the opposition. You dont always need a big defenseman on every line. It will be nice to have 2 defenseman that can take offensive chances and both be able to skate back into the zone quickly.
    Timonen is from Finland and Gustafsson is from Sweden..

    I think Gustafsson is most likely to be paired with Mez

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyerschris View Post
    Timonen is from Finland and Gustafsson is from Sweden..

    I think Gustafsson is most likely to be paired with Mez
    Quote Originally Posted by Youarewrong View Post
    There are 3 reasons I would like to see Gustafsson pair with Timonen. First, they share a nationality and that greatly improves communication. They can talk without opps being able to understand. Second, Gustafsson's game is a lot like Timonen's and it would benefit him to learn at his side. And Third, I think we need a defensive tandem that can handle the speedy lines of the opposition. You dont always need a big defenseman on every line. It will be nice to have 2 defenseman that can take offensive chances and both be able to skate back into the zone quickly.

    not only that, let's be real here. the language barrier isn't that big of an advantage, especially for defensemen. at the end of the day, you're still playing the same game.


    gus can learn from timonen on a different line. it's too dangerous IMO to have 2 small defensemen on the same line. you start getting into playoff games and playing against bigger teams, smaller defenders just get pushed off the puck too easily. and as well and consistent as timonen has been, he's getting older, and a little weaker, and he isn't able to shield off forwards as well as he used to.



    besides, the main point is that the top 4 of pronger, carle, timonen, and coburn have been playing with each other for a while now. they have chemistry with each other. pronger brings out the absolute best in carle. on any other line, carle would not be the same. if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyeaglesman View Post
    not only that, let's be real here. the language barrier isn't that big of an advantage, especially for defensemen. at the end of the day, you're still playing the same game.


    gus can learn from timonen on a different line. it's too dangerous IMO to have 2 small defensemen on the same line. you start getting into playoff games and playing against bigger teams, smaller defenders just get pushed off the puck too easily. and as well and consistent as timonen has been, he's getting older, and a little weaker, and he isn't able to shield off forwards as well as he used to.



    besides, the main point is that the top 4 of pronger, carle, timonen, and coburn have been playing with each other for a while now. they have chemistry with each other. pronger brings out the absolute best in carle. on any other line, carle would not be the same. if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
    Its not like it really matters. Gustefsson might not even get the spot.. It might go to Bartulis, Walker, Lilja, or Marshall. Whatever... The point is, this team is big, and strong, and can potentially be very good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youarewrong View Post
    I'm suprised at how big the Flyers got this off-season. I was looking at the numbers and here are the Heights of all the Flyers. Couple that with Lavi's aggresive Forecheck and I think that we will suprise people that expect us to take a step back this year. Do I still want a true goal scorer, yes, but take a look at these lines:

    JVR (6'3") Giroux (5'11") Jagr (6'3")- I think this line is going to light up the score sheet. Giroux's ability to find anyone at any time with a pass coupled with Jagr's ability to use his body and speed to manuvere around defense, and open up space for his line mates is going to be huge... All JVR will have to do is drive the net, get a call or 2, and pick up the trash...

    Hartnell (6'2") Briere (5'10") Vorachek (6'2")- This is going to be a repeat of the Leino line... Vorachek has the ability to pass just like Leino did, and I think he will be able to dig pucks out more then Leino did... A very solid 2nd line.

    Schenn (6'1") Couturier (6'3") Simmonds (6'2")- This reminds me of the JVR-Giroux-Asham line from 3 years ago... Simmonds protects Schenn and Couturier, but with thier size and thier abilities they should be able to produce more. In addition, Schenn and Couturier are more defensive responcible then Giroux and JVR were, and could step right in and play.

    Talbot (5'11") Betts (6'3") Nodl (6'1")- Hopefully this can be an energy line like the Betts Lappy and Carcillo line from 3 years ago... At the very least it is a SOLID shut-down line.

    Pronger (6'6") Coburn (6'5")- Philly's version of the 2 towers... I think Coburn stepped up his game enough to jump on the first pairing.

    Timonen (5'10") Gustafsson (5'10")- Fellow Countrymen, and similar playing styles. I couldnt think of a better role-model for Gusta then Timonen. Both are also excellent skaters and can be used to match up against another team's speedy talent.

    Carle (6'0") -Meszaros (6'2")- I think this would also be a solid pairing... Carle and Meszaros could compliment eachother nicely.

    If we need to inject the line-up with some tough stuff we could add Sestito (6'5").

    And then we have
    Bryzgalov
    Bobrovsky
    Good post.

    GM Holmgren said that he was committed to adding size to this team, especially the forwards.

    Again, in the playoffs, Boston out-worked, out-hit, out-mucked, out-muscled, and wore-down the Flyers forwards.

    It would be interesting to compare the size (height and weight) of the forwards gone - with - the size of the forwards added.

    Maybe someone will take-up that challenge.

    Good job.


    (by the way, Timonen is a Fin, and Gustafsson is a Swede)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youarewrong View Post
    I'm suprised at how big the Flyers got this off-season. I was looking at the numbers and here are the Heights of all the Flyers. Couple that with Lavi's aggresive Forecheck and I think that we will suprise people that expect us to take a step back this year. Do I still want a true goal scorer, yes, but take a look at these lines:

    JVR (6'3") Giroux (5'11") Jagr (6'3")- I think this line is going to light up the score sheet. Giroux's ability to find anyone at any time with a pass coupled with Jagr's ability to use his body and speed to manuvere around defense, and open up space for his line mates is going to be huge... All JVR will have to do is drive the net, get a call or 2, and pick up the trash...

    Hartnell (6'2") Briere (5'10") Vorachek (6'2")- This is going to be a repeat of the Leino line... Vorachek has the ability to pass just like Leino did, and I think he will be able to dig pucks out more then Leino did... A very solid 2nd line.

    Schenn (6'1") Couturier (6'3") Simmonds (6'2")- This reminds me of the JVR-Giroux-Asham line from 3 years ago... Simmonds protects Schenn and Couturier, but with thier size and thier abilities they should be able to produce more. In addition, Schenn and Couturier are more defensive responcible then Giroux and JVR were, and could step right in and play.

    Talbot (5'11") Betts (6'3") Nodl (6'1")- Hopefully this can be an energy line like the Betts Lappy and Carcillo line from 3 years ago... At the very least it is a SOLID shut-down line.

    Pronger (6'6") Coburn (6'5")- Philly's version of the 2 towers... I think Coburn stepped up his game enough to jump on the first pairing.

    Timonen (5'10") Gustafsson (5'10")- Fellow Countrymen, and similar playing styles. I couldnt think of a better role-model for Gusta then Timonen. Both are also excellent skaters and can be used to match up against another team's speedy talent.

    Carle (6'0") -Meszaros (6'2")- I think this would also be a solid pairing... Carle and Meszaros could compliment eachother nicely.

    If we need to inject the line-up with some tough stuff we could add Sestito (6'5").

    And then we have
    Bryzgalov
    Bobrovsky
    Good post.

    I'm glad you recognize Jagr/Giroux/JVR as the top line. They could turn into one of the top lines in the league, if they find some chemistry. I think Jagr's work on the boards in the cycle is going to be huge for the line. He'll make the right play all the time, and JVR will be able to learn from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thPrizedFighter View Post
    Good post.

    I'm glad you recognize Jagr/Giroux/JVR as the top line. They could turn into one of the top lines in the league, if they find some chemistry. I think Jagr's work on the boards in the cycle is going to be huge for the line. He'll make the right play all the time, and JVR will be able to learn from him.
    Defenitly a top line. Hope they get at least 18 minutes of work a game cant wait. Every single person in the leauge better learn from the guy whos 9th all time in points lol

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    Everyone is expecting Couturier to make the team?

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    i keep thinking about it....holmgren said him and schenn will "have every opportunity"


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