Blockbuster Possibility - Stamkos - 7/2/11

[ABRO]

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Here on day 2 of NHL Free Agency - July 2 - the Flyers Cap position is:


Flyers Salary Cap Chart 2011-2012 (7/2/11)

Roster - 21 Players

Cap Hit (M) Player Notes

Centers (4)

6.500 Briere (C/RW) NMC
3.750 Giroux (C/RW)
3.110 Schenn
0.700 Betts

Left Wings (4)

4.200 Hartnell (LW/RW) NTC
1.654 vanRiemsdyk incl performance bonus
1.800 Talbot
0.545 Rinaldo/Sestito

Right Wings (4)

3.300 Jagr
2.250 Voracek RFA
1.500 est Simmonds RFA from 0.822 M Cap Hit
0.845 Nodl (LW/RW) RFA

Defencemen (7)

4.921 Pronger (RD)
6.333 Timonen (LD) NMC
3.200 Coburn (RD)
3.438 Carle (LD)
4.000 Meszaros (RD)
0.600 Bartulis
0.750 Lilja

Goaltenders (2)

5.667 Bryzgalov
1.750 Bobrovsky incl performance bonus

60.813 Total Cap Hit

64.300 NHL Cap No Performance Bonus Cushion for 2011-12

3.487 Cap Space

2.000 Saved Cap Space for in-season call-ups

1.487 Excess Cap Space


A blockbuster possibility:

1.487 Current Excess Cap Space
3.438 Carle trade for pick(s) and/or prospect(s) (go with 6 defencemen)
3.110 Schenn to the AHL Phantoms

8.035 Total Available Cap Space (in addition to the Saved Cap Space of 2 M for in-season call-ups)

B.Richards is off-the-board with his signing with the NYR this morning.

And, Flyers' GM Holmgren is still in the War Room working on "something significant".

As we all know, yesterday, Holmgren, and his gang-of-5, held-off from the Offer Sheet attack for Stamkos because of the 7-day wait for TB GM Yzerman to commit to matching, or not.

During that 7-day time wait, the Flyers could not risk competing for UFA players and try to save Cap Space to cover the Offer Sheet to Stamkos.

But, now that the day-1 smoke has cleared, GM Holmgren now has 8 M available for a block-buster if he choses.

An Offer Sheet, to the 21 year old super-star Stamkos, is now possible, here on July 2 or after.

Tampa Bay could be blown away with a tough-to-swallow Offer Sheet contract of 15 years of 120 M (8 M Cap Hit).

A Stamkos contract (similar approach as Bryzgalov's contract):

Year - Age - Salary - Cap Hit

1 - 21 - 12.650 M - 8 M
2 - 22 - 12.650 M - 8 M
3 - 23 - 12.650 M - 8 M
4 - 24 - 12.005 M - 8 M
5 - 25 - 11 M - 8 M
6 - 26 - 11 M - 8 M
7 - 27 - 10 M - 8 M
8 - 28 - 09 M - 8 M
9 - 29 - 07 M - 8 M
10 - 30 - 06 M - 8 M
11 - 31 - 05 M - 8 M
12 - 32 - 04 M - 8 M
13 - 33 - 03 M - 8 M
14 - 34 - 02 M - 8 M
15 - 35 - 02 M - 8 M

Total - 120 M / 15 yrs = 8 M Cap Hit


It's very possible for this very aggressive Flyers' GM and his team.

The 21 year old top-3 NHL forward, super-star, and still with up-side growth - Stamkos - a Philadelphia Flyer !

Do you want him under this new circumstance?


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[Giroux 4 MVP]

abro they rnt goin to do a RFA offer sheet, nobody would want to talk to us about deal and we would be disrespected everywhere

[fanofphilly]

we would be disrespecting for going after a top 3 nhl player out there???

f that, you do whatever you need to in order to get the CHANCE to best put yourself in the position to hold lord stanleys.


esp since now its proof that this would not ruin our farm.... players always will come and go but to have an oppurtunity to do this is HUGE!

get this done.... good post great read. Im not going to get excited about anything but if something like this should go down then wow...

[StryderSox]

I would absolutely hate this contract......even for one of the top 3 players in the world. We just dumped two guys that were considered to be franchise players because we hopefully realized that decade long contracts in the current NHL is a bad idea. So why know do we want to put an offer sheet in on Stamkos for 10+ years at 8 mil a year and get ourselves back into cap trouble as well as piss off Tampa and look bad to the rest of the GMs?

I say screw the big name splash and concentrate on plugging holes. Boston did not have a big name superstar. They built an all round solid team. I say enjoy the bright future we just created for ourselves with all our young talent and concentrate on building a team around depth and not superstars.

[ABRO]

I would absolutely hate this contract......even for one of the top 3 players in the world. We just dumped two guys that were considered to be franchise players because we hopefully realized that decade long contracts in the current NHL is a bad idea.

The Richards and Carter contracts were not the reason they were traded. The reasons were team chemistry, in the "room" issues, and very serious culture issues. Yes, none of these are on-ice issues, but, they affect the on-ice performance of the player and the team.

So why know do we want to put an offer sheet in on Stamkos for 10+ years at 8 mil a year and get ourselves back into cap trouble as well as piss off Tampa and look bad to the rest of the GMs? - - -

Therefore, were GM Holmgren, and his gang-of-5, in significant error this past week as they crafted, and seriously contemplated, a Stamkos Offer Sheet?


Wednesday, June 29, 2011

Two holdups on Flyers offer to Stamkos

>> - - the Flyers have been quietly plugging together numbers and considering mulling over whether or not to send an offer sheet for the restricted free agent.

Here is the latest:

-As of 4:45pm on Wednesday, no offer has been sent to Stamkos’ camp - from the Flyers or any other team.

-A proposed number, even higher than the one floated in our story in Wednesday’s paper, that was relayed to the Daily News is 12 years, $115 million. If sent, that would give Stamkos a $9.58 salary cap hit. A no-movement clause would also be initiated after Stamkos finishes his 7th season in the NHL. He has already played 3.

Now, the Flyers have not sent their offer sheet for two reasons:

1) The Lightning have the ability to sit on the offer for 7 days once Stamkos decides to accept an offer sheet. Since the sheet cannot be accepted by Stamkos until July 1 even if it is signed, the Lightning could make the Flyers wait until July 8.

The Flyers are concerned that they may not be able to fill out their roster with other unrestricted free agents if they choose to wait that long. <<

>> So, do the Flyers take a stab at Stamkos with the possibility that they fail? Or do they count on signing one or two of those other players at a much discounted rate and leave a little salary cap space to spare?

It’s a tough call - and one that the Flyers have been debating all day.

In reality, though, the Flyers could make do if they took a stab at Stamkos and failed. <<

>> If the Flyers did land Stamkos, they could address their cap troubles by either trading Sergei Bobrovsky and one of their defenseman, or even stash a player like Scott Hartnell off the cap in Adirondack until his contract expires. The options are endless to get under if they get him.

2) Another reason the Flyers have held up on sending an offer sheet is that they are targeting to Stamkos for one reason only: to sign him.

While throwing out a ridiculous offer sheet to Stamkos would, in turn, force a conference rival to pay more than they had budgeted or intended to keep, the Flyers would likely save themselves the effort - and the stress - of not taking a shot if they know there is no way to get a deal done.

That means the Flyers have spent the last 24-48 hours trying to come up with a “poison pill” or offer that the Lightning could not afford to match, likely by severely front-loading a long-term, expensive deal.

Yzerman has even told Flyers officials that he has been given the green light from owner Jeffrey Vinik to match any offer that comes down the pike.

Whether that’s true or Yzerman is bluffing to avoid a substantial offer is the reason the Flyers have been playing a day-long game of chicken, no different than the game Stamkos’ agents have been playing with Yzerman from the beginning. <<

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/?c=r

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[GonnaFlyNow]

I would absolutely hate this contract......even for one of the top 3 players in the world. We just dumped two guys that were considered to be franchise players because we hopefully realized that decade long contracts in the current NHL is a bad idea. So why know do we want to put an offer sheet in on Stamkos for 10+ years at 8 mil a year and get ourselves back into cap trouble as well as piss off Tampa and look bad to the rest of the GMs?

I say screw the big name splash and concentrate on plugging holes. Boston did not have a big name superstar. They built an all round solid team. I say enjoy the bright future we just created for ourselves with all our young talent and concentrate on building a team around depth and not superstars.

Congratulations, you got what you want...the flyers will be playing golf during the 2012 playoffs

[TattooedEnigma]

Nevermind.. I've been trolled.

[DasturdlyDodger]

Nevermind.. I've been trolled.

To bad it isn't true!

[claymaker52]

like someone said in another thread. let TB screw themselves by deteriorating their relationship with stamkos. Then go after him if the circumstance is correct. I guess I wish we could get rid of hartnell. never really like him and that would generate more cap to play with.

[fanofphilly]

What a lot of people forget which was talk i keep hearing is how hard up Ed Snider is on Stamkos and how much he has loved him and hinted towards if theres ever a possibility he will do what he has to type attitude..


so who knows what could happen at this point. Its very thrilling though

[joeyc77]

What a lot of people forget which was talk i keep hearing is how hard up Ed Snider is on Stamkos and how much he has loved him and hinted towards if theres ever a possibility he will do what he has to type attitude..


so who knows what could happen at this point. Its very thrilling though

Yeah...but what you and a lot of others don't seem to grasp is that the Flyers best chance of getting Stamkos is not signig him to an offer sheet and allowing the situation between him and TB to deteriorate to the point that they feel like they need to trade him. If the Flyers sign Stamkos to an offer sheet...ANY OFFER SHEET...it gets matched...out of nothing more than spite and we are immediatley the enemy of TB and most of the NHL.

[Bdawkins20]

Yeah...but what you and a lot of others don't seem to grasp is that the Flyers best chance of getting Stamkos is not signig him to an offer sheet and allowing the situation between him and TB to deteriorate to the point that they feel like they need to trade him. If the Flyers sign Stamkos to an offer sheet...ANY OFFER SHEET...it gets matched...out of nothing more than spite and we are immediatley the enemy of TB and most of the NHL.

My question with this is if the Flyers lets say allow the relationship to deteriorate would that then lower the asking price, if it does than im all for it. I dont know how true the four number 1s and players are but I think thats asking a little much even for a top three player in the world.

[joeyc77]

My question with this is if the Flyers lets say allow the relationship to deteriorate would that then lower the asking price, if it does than im all for it. I dont know how true the four number 1s and players are but I think thats asking a little much even for a top three player in the world.

Yes..and keep an open communication with TB and Stamkos making your interest well known...the best way to aquire a RFA is how the Leafs handled Kessler...they traded two firsts and a 2nd which was much better than 4 1sts.

[DasturdlyDodger]

i meant the rights for Stamkos

[phillyeaglesman]

i meant the rights for Stamkos

i'm lost. what's going on here?