Nets Coaches Underutilize Good Players

[waveycrockett]

Ask yourself 1 question:

Do you feel the NETS have played at their full potential at any point this season? I think the obvious answer is no. Starting with DWILL, our most talented player on down there has not been a stretch where everyone has looked good as a unit. We have seen guys look VERY good individually. JJ in 4th quarters, DWILL post PRP-therapy, Blatche during Lopez absence. But none of these guys have ever gotten on the same page at the same time and alot of that is the fault of the coaches. Lets go through our most underutilized

1)Gerald Wallace:People with no knowledge of basketball or who just want to troll will say he's washed up. Former allstars who were perennial DPOY candidates dont get washed up at age 30 unless they have the knees of Amare Stoudemire, the feet of Yao Ming or the gut of Charles Barkley. It just doesnt happen. Those same people were saying DWILL was washed up. Problem with Wallace is he's a slasher who is being used instead to hang around the 3 point line and should be playing UP TEMPO not SLOOOOW motion basketball the NETS run. When he cuts to the basket good things happen.

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2)Andray Blatche: A 26 year old 6'11 PF playing out of position at Center. Has a PER of 22.5 and his advanced stats/per 36 averages are 20 and 10. He was a beast in Lopez absence. Yet he only plays 18 MPG. Let the best players player PJ. Something also tells me the Nets are also purposely keeping his numbers down so they wont have to pay him so much in the offseason.


3)Marshon Brooks: A top-5 rookie last year and a legit bench scorer. The coaching staff has shown it's inability to coach up young players with upside. Brooks cant get off the bench this season and when he does its usually out of desperation by PJ. Preferring to play Journey Men Veterans instead like Keith Bogans and Jerry Stackhouse. A very short sighted move by the organization. Marshon Brooks has actually regressed this season while other rookies in his class like Parsons and Thompson have been allowed to play thru mistakes. Thanks PJ and Avery.

4)Deron Williams: Obviously injuries have been his main problem but DWILL has voiced his displeasure with the Nets coaching and the system put in place by Avery and still run by PJ. Deron Williams prefers the flex system run by the Jazz. PJ has said the Nets incorporate 60% of those sets. We just played the Jazz this weekend. Does the movement the Jazz players do on offense resemble anything the Nets run?? Our offense looks like it's running in quick sand compared to what the Jazz run. We dont get any sets started until 12-14 seconds on the shot clock.



In short the coaching has killed this team.

[JoTyler65]

Some great points here. CJ also played great in Deron's absence. I know fans are down on Humphries, but we could not reach our potential without him getting regular minutes, Brooks too. I know PJ at one point talked about playing Brook and Blatche together. I think he's too slow to play PF, and we need to get him the ball closer to the basket.

Ask yourself 1 question:

Do you feel the NETS have played at their full potential at any point this season? I think the obvious answer is no. Starting with DWILL, our most talented player on down there has not been a stretch where everyone has looked good as a unit. We have seen guys look VERY good individually. JJ in 4th quarters, DWILL post PRP-therapy, Blatche during Lopez absence. But none of these guys have ever gotten on the same page at the same time and alot of that is the fault of the coaches. Lets go through our most underutilized

1)Gerald Wallace:People with no knowledge of basketball or who just want to troll will say he's washed up. Former allstars who were perennial DPOY candidates dont get washed up at age 30 unless they have the knees of Amare Stoudemire, the feet of Yao Ming or the gut of Charles Barkley. It just doesnt happen. Those same people were saying DWILL was washed up. Problem with Wallace is he's a slasher who is being used instead to hang around the 3 point line and should be playing UP TEMPO not SLOOOOW motion basketball the NETS run. When he cuts to the basket good things happen.

2)Andray Blatche: A 26 year old 6'11 PF playing out of position at Center. Has a PER of 22.5 and his advanced stats/per 36 averages are 20 and 10. He was a beast in Lopez absence. Yet he only plays 18 MPG. Let the best players player PJ. Something also tells me the Nets are also purposely keeping his numbers down so they wont have to pay him so much in the offseason.


3)Marshon Brooks: A top-5 rookie last year and a legit bench scorer. The coaching staff has shown it's inability to coach up young players with upside. Brooks cant get off the bench this season and when he does its usually out of desperation by PJ. Preferring to play Journey Men Veterans instead like Keith Bogans and Jerry Stackhouse. A very short sighted move by the organization. Marshon Brooks has actually regressed this season while other rookies in his class like Parsons and Thompson have been allowed to play thru mistakes. Thanks PJ and Avery.

4)Deron Williams: Obviously injuries have been his main problem but DWILL has voiced his displeasure with the Nets coaching and the system put in place by Avery and still run by PJ. Deron Williams prefers the flex system run by the Jazz. PJ has said the Nets incorporate 60% of those sets. We just played the Jazz this weekend. Does the movement the Jazz players do on offense resemble anything the Nets run?? Our offense looks like it's running in quick sand compared to what the Jazz run. We dont get any sets started until 12-14 seconds on the shot clock.



In short the coaching has killed this team.

[ambisme56]

Yes, definitely some good points. But as we can see we are missing 2 very important pieces to this team and will have to be addressed this off-season.

First, we need a straight up 3-pt shooter...someone like a Kyle Korver...would help space the floor when D-will drives and when Lopez posts-up.

Korver- 10.9ppg, 4.0rpg, 2.0apg, 13.93 PER, 6' 7", 212lbs, age 32 (1 of the top 3-pt shooters)

Second, we need a PF who can play defense, grab rebounds, and score easy point around the basket. Evans is a good rebounder and nothing else, but even his rebounds have been minimized do to his lack of size...Noah, Boozer, Nazi, and Gibson are all stronger or taller than Evans, therefore they are getting key rebounds over him. This PF also has to be able to hit the 12-17 foot shoot, along the baseline and from the extended elbow...my choice of players would be J.J. Hickson or David West.

Evans- 4.5ppg, 11.1rpg, 12.81 PER, 6'8" 245lbs, age 32 (no offense what so ever)

Hickson- 12.7ppg, 10.4rpg, 19.71 PER, 6'9", 242lbs, age 24 (has also stated he wanted to get traded to the Nets at the deadline)

David West- 17.1ppg, 7.7rpg, 20.15 PER, 6'9", 250lbs, age 32 (from NJ) [excellent mid-range shooter)

Hickson gives you a little bit of scoring and rebounding, but gives you more athleticism and installs some youth over West.

West gives you more consistent scoring and shooting with some rebounding and toughness, but is less athletic and older than Hickson.

Now how to sign 2 of these 3 free agents.

Korver has made 5 million the last 3 years. Hickson has made 4 million the last 2 years. West has made 10 million the last 3 years.

The only way possible to sign any of these guys is to trade Humphries (12 million in salary).

Option 1: Sign and trade. Humphries and 1st rd pick (#22) to Atlanta for Korver and Stevenson (2.2 million left/2yrs). This would save ATL that 2.2 million in the last year. (Nets would also have to pay 3M from Humphries contract). All in all ATL would be paying an extra 6.8M this yr plus the 1st rd pick).

Option 2: Sign and trade. Humphries and 1st rd pick (#22) to Portland for Hickson and Matthews (6.5 million left/2yrs). Portland would have more salary cap room at the end of the 2014 season.

Option 3: Option 1 plus sign West as a free agent for a mid-level exception around 3M for 3 years. Korver gets a 3 year 15 million dollar contract. Total Deal: West for 3M, Korver for 5M, Stevenson for 2.2M, and 3M in trade exception, which equals 13.2M or 1.2M more than Humphries contract. Where to make that 1.2M up from? Don't resign Stackhouse (.854.4M), and don't resign Bogans (.854.4M) [don't really need Bogans anymore anyway because we would have Korver and Stevenson]. Would be nice if Blatche signs for a veteran minimum again (still getting paid big bucks from his Wizards deal)

Roster:
PG: D-will, Watson, Taylor
SG: Johnson, Brooks, Stevenson
SF: Wallace, Korver, Shengelia
PF: West, Evans, Teletovic
C: Lopez, Blatche

[MDD]

With what cap space will u do this with

[D2theJ]

I agree. Bottom line this coaching staff cares way to much about defense and rebounding. Is it important? Of course it is. But we are relying on lesser talent to try and fit that style instead of just using the players we have to their strengths. They have KILLED the confidence of Wallace, Brooks and Teletovic. We really could have used Teletovic and Brooks off the bench this series but since we used them so sporadically that is over.


I hate what Avery has done and I hate what PJ has done. I dont give a **** that they had a good record this team could have easily won 53-55 games with the right coach.

[JoTyler65]

WE had a shot to get Hickson a few years back but just ignored him.

Yes, definitely some good points. But as we can see we are missing 2 very important pieces to this team and will have to be addressed this off-season.

First, we need a straight up 3-pt shooter...someone like a Kyle Korver...would help space the floor when D-will drives and when Lopez posts-up.

Korver- 10.9ppg, 4.0rpg, 2.0apg, 13.93 PER, 6' 7", 212lbs, age 32 (1 of the top 3-pt shooters)

Second, we need a PF who can play defense, grab rebounds, and score easy point around the basket. Evans is a good rebounder and nothing else, but even his rebounds have been minimized do to his lack of size...Noah, Boozer, Nazi, and Gibson are all stronger or taller than Evans, therefore they are getting key rebounds over him. This PF also has to be able to hit the 12-17 foot shoot, along the baseline and from the extended elbow...my choice of players would be J.J. Hickson or David West.

Evans- 4.5ppg, 11.1rpg, 12.81 PER, 6'8" 245lbs, age 32 (no offense what so ever)

Hickson- 12.7ppg, 10.4rpg, 19.71 PER, 6'9", 242lbs, age 24 (has also stated he wanted to get traded to the Nets at the deadline)

David West- 17.1ppg, 7.7rpg, 20.15 PER, 6'9", 250lbs, age 32 (from NJ) [excellent mid-range shooter)

Hickson gives you a little bit of scoring and rebounding, but gives you more athleticism and installs some youth over West.

West gives you more consistent scoring and shooting with some rebounding and toughness, but is less athletic and older than Hickson.

[JoTyler65]

Another thing with our team is we are 2-3 deep at every position so some guys just are not going to get the minutes they deserve.

We really could have used Teletovic and Brooks off the bench this series but since we used them so sporadically that is over.

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[JoTyler65]

I'd rather give Teletovic Korver's role. He's already making $3 mil!

I think West will command at least $8-9 mil next season, but Hickson at an exception could be possible, especially since, as you say, he showed an interest in playing with us. He would absolutely flourish with more minutes. That sounds like a great option for us!

Our three stars are getting $4 mil in raises and who knows what it will cost to bring Blatche back, so you have to factor that in too.

Now how to sign 2 of these 3 free agents.

Korver has made 5 million the last 3 years. Hickson has made 4 million the last 2 years. West has made 10 million the last 3 years.

The only way possible to sign any of these guys is to trade Humphries (12 million in salary).

Option 1: Sign and trade. Humphries and 1st rd pick (#22) to Atlanta for Korver and Stevenson (2.2 million left/2yrs). This would save ATL that 2.2 million in the last year. (Nets would also have to pay 3M from Humphries contract). All in all ATL would be paying an extra 6.8M this yr plus the 1st rd pick).

Option 2: Sign and trade. Humphries and 1st rd pick (#22) to Portland for Hickson and Matthews (6.5 million left/2yrs). Portland would have more salary cap room at the end of the 2014 season.

Option 3: Option 1 plus sign West as a free agent for a mid-level exception around 3M for 3 years. Korver gets a 3 year 15 million dollar contract. Total Deal: West for 3M, Korver for 5M, Stevenson for 2.2M, and 3M in trade exception, which equals 13.2M or 1.2M more than Humphries contract. Where to make that 1.2M up from? Don't resign Stackhouse (.854.4M), and don't resign Bogans (.854.4M) [don't really need Bogans anymore anyway because we would have Korver and Stevenson]. Would be nice if Blatche signs for a veteran minimum again (still getting paid big bucks from his Wizards deal)

Roster:
PG: D-will, Watson, Taylor
SG: Johnson, Brooks, Stevenson
SF: Wallace, Korver, Shengelia
PF: West, Evans, Teletovic
C: Lopez, Blatche

[birdman1910]

I always said that PJ has been following the mold of Avery. He was trying to stay loyal by not changing the system. All he did was speed it up a little bit but didn't really use the rotation better. The Nets play to the opposition but the best teams in the league don't play the matchup game. They throw the players out there and force you to stop them.

-Brooks is a shot creator. He is considered instant offense. He should be starting at the 2 and the bigger slower JJ should be at the 3
-Teletovic is a floor spacer and he was the BEST player in Euroleague last season.
-Blatche and Lopez should be on the court together. He is a PF, not a C.
-Stack and Bogans do not need to get the minutes they are getting. 3 or 4 minutes at the end of the 1st half are fine. The are not threats
-Watson is cool but they need a backup pg that can be a semi floor general. Watson is a scoring pg.
-Evans and Wallace should not be on the floor together. I believe if Walace is not amnestied which I hope he is, he should start at the PF. Evans 15 minutes off the bench.
This team needs to RUN RUN RUN.
-JJ needs to stop being ISO JOE and be SPOT UP J.

[divinci]

Wallace can't be amnestied. We used that on Travis Outlaw. Wallace just needs to be used in the fast break. He can still get to the rim. Brooks and Teletovic should have been used more. That I agree with. Actually I agree with most of what you say, but JJ needs to keep being JJ. He does a little of both, spot-up and iso. We still need that as well.

I always said that PJ has been following the mold of Avery. He was trying to stay loyal by not changing the system. All he did was speed it up a little bit but didn't really use the rotation better. The Nets play to the opposition but the best teams in the league don't play the matchup game. They throw the players out there and force you to stop them.

-Brooks is a shot creator. He is considered instant offense. He should be starting at the 2 and the bigger slower JJ should be at the 3
-Teletovic is a floor spacer and he was the BEST player in Euroleague last season.
-Blatche and Lopez should be on the court together. He is a PF, not a C.
-Stack and Bogans do not need to get the minutes they are getting. 3 or 4 minutes at the end of the 1st half are fine. The are not threats
-Watson is cool but they need a backup pg that can be a semi floor general. Watson is a scoring pg.
-Evans and Wallace should not be on the floor together. I believe if Walace is not amnestied which I hope he is, he should start at the PF. Evans 15 minutes off the bench.
This team needs to RUN RUN RUN.
-JJ needs to stop being ISO JOE and be SPOT UP J.

[iceteawithlemon]

Apt topic... But creating team chemistry and a season long desire for players to win despite being a 35 minute starter or a 10 minute benchwarmer is probably the most difficult of all.

[JoTyler65]

I think the problem was bringing in Bogans and Stackhouse. WE already had Mirza and MarShon to backup those positions, but the coaches like veterans. Humphries should have been splitting time with Evans at PF.