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    No "LOVE" for Cleveland: Why Cavs are better with Wiggins

    If reports are correct that the Cavs are set to sign Wiggins it is possibly the best scenario Cleveland fans could hope for.

    Sure, having Kevin Love could get the Cavaliers a championship next year but they still have a great chance with the team they have. Irrelevant though since the focus here is winning MULTIPLE titles. With a team of O.C.'s (Original Cavs) there is a better chance for sustaining more long-term success.

    Let me explain...

    Even after LeBron isn't MVP level, which won't happen for at least 6 more seasons, or eventually retires the Cavs will still have two guys (Kyrie and especially Wiggins) that have every bit as much ability to be two of the best players in the league. Most greats don't make it past the 20/40 rule, make it to 20 seasons or play at 40 years of age. Meaning even after LeBron the Cavs can still keep chugging. Even the Edmonton Oilers won the Stanley Cup the very next year after Gretzky left.

    Translation: The Cavs could take the Boston Celtics approach of selling the farm for a lot of talent like "the Big 3", only win one title, then fall apart.

    OR

    Build like the San Antonio Spurs. They're a small market team who have won 5 titles in over a FIFTEEN YEAR SPAN!!!

    I know Cleveland is tired of waiting for a championship but building the Cavs the right way could make them one of the preeminent franchises in the sport pumping out titles like its their job...because frankly it is.

    What's your take on building the Cavaliers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinzer View Post
    If reports are correct that the Cavs are set to sign Wiggins it is possibly the best scenario Cleveland fans could hope for.

    Sure, having Kevin Love could get the Cavaliers a championship next year but they still have a great chance with the team they have. Irrelevant though since the focus here is winning MULTIPLE titles. With a team of O.C.'s (Original Cavs) there is a better chance for sustaining more long-term success.

    Let me explain...

    Even after LeBron isn't MVP level, which won't happen for at least 6 more seasons, or eventually retires the Cavs will still have two guys (Kyrie and especially Wiggins) that have every bit as much ability to be two of the best players in the league. Most greats don't make it past the 20/40 rule, make it to 20 seasons or play at 40 years of age. Meaning even after LeBron the Cavs can still keep chugging. Even the Edmonton Oilers won the Stanley Cup the very next year after Gretzky left.

    Translation: The Cavs could take the Boston Celtics approach of selling the farm for a lot of talent like "the Big 3", only win one title, then fall apart.

    OR

    Build like the San Antonio Spurs. They're a small market team who have won 5 titles in over a FIFTEEN YEAR SPAN!!!

    I know Cleveland is tired of waiting for a championship but building the Cavs the right way could make them one of the preeminent franchises in the sport pumping out titles like its their job...because frankly it is.

    What's your take on building the Cavaliers?
    Respectfully - if you sell the farm and get a title in the next 2 years during LeBron's peak years he stays. If the Cav's keep the young studs they "could" be very good or not he may say adios AGAIN.

    As far as the Celts, if you tell all Cav's fans you trade the future for a title in the next couple of years I would say most "should" say go for the title as the future is VERY unknown.

    Cav's starved for a championship = Love addition and the Cav's get to the finals THIS year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    Respectfully - if you sell the farm and get a title in the next 2 years during LeBron's peak years he stays. If the Cav's keep the young studs they "could" be very good or not he may say adios AGAIN.

    As far as the Celts, if you tell all Cav's fans you trade the future for a title in the next couple of years I would say most "should" say go for the title as the future is VERY unknown.

    Cav's starved for a championship = Love addition and the Cav's get to the finals THIS year.
    Lebron is not leaving Cleveland again. I don't know why people keep saying this.

    If you read the letter he wrote it's clear. He would absolutely destroy any kind of legacy if he did, and there's no team he'd rather play for. Not the Bulls, not the Knicks, not the Heat. Don't even think of any western conference team.

    He clearly states he doesn't expect Cleveland to make it to the finals as quickly as the Heat did, and that he's ready to embrace that challenge. If you (or anyone else) believe he'll jump ship after acknowledging that it'll take some time, then I'm not sure what to say.

    At this point I don't think it's wise of the Cavs to be in rush mode. Wait until the deadline and Minny will be on their knees.


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    You're not better with Wiggins. That is clear.

    Wiggins, Bennett, 1st, expiring, expiring
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    Love, Martin/Barea, Dieng

    Looks like this is where they're currently at. It also looks the Cavs are confident they'll be able to make an offer the Wolves will accept. They are aware the Wolves want Wiggins, Bennett, and a 1st. They're also aware the Wolves want to shed both (or one of) Martin and Barea.

    Oh boy.
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    is it Mike Love or
    Kevin Love????

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    Ugh!!!

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    I hope they keep Wiggins. Him and LBJ would be an unstoppable duo,

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    Honestly I like our chances either way. Im like 52-48 in favor of love though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy View Post
    Honestly I like our chances either way. Im like 52-48 in favor of love though.
    I am 100% against the acquisition of Love unless it is for TT and a first rounder. The depth on this team is ridiculous. How often does a team get 3 #1 overall picks in 4 years. Don't trade it away, keep what no other team can get.
    Kyrie
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    Wiggins
    Tristan
    Bennett

    Is a great young athletic core.

    Then you add the best player in the world

    Then go get 3 pure shooters James Jones, Miller, Ray

    Dellevedova is a more than solid backup
    Harris is an interesting talent

    Just bring in a rim protector

    And you got a new coach in Blatt.

    Might be able to put together the most dominant decade of basketball. And Lebron could be playing past 40 and still winning rings in a Tim Duncan type roll.

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    They can still agree to a deal in principal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NBA_Starter View Post
    They can still agree to a deal in principal now.
    Yeah unfortunately, I don't think signing Wiggins changes anything as far as them trading for love or not. I hope they don't make the trade. The fact they are taking Bennett, Wiggins and a first just isn't worth it to me, especially when I believe they will be the right there with the Spurs as the best team in basketball.

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    Even though Love is a terrific player, it does seem like the Cavs front office is caving into every demand the Wolves are making. You give up Wiggins, who might become a better player than Love....give up last year's number 1 pick, then an additional number 1 pick, take on two contracts that Minnesota desperately wants to unload all for the privilege of signing Love to a max deal that leaves the Wolves with little money for depth. How many teams have the opportunity to have four #1 picks? Wiggins can become the Pippen to Lebron and really form an athletic swarming perimeter defense....and he has potential to be a superstar on both ends of the floor. Love is not a good defensive player so the Cavs would not be better defensively. With Kyrie, Wiggins and Lebron you'd be able to fly up and down the court for many years. I really do not like the team having to give up such a valuable prospect without seeing what he's going to become. The plan shouldn't be just to be good enough to dominate the east. It should be to be enough to face the powerhouses of the West like the Spurs. With the Spurs precision offense and great shooting, you're going to need a pretty stout defense to slow them down, not to mention depth. Right now the Cavs have so many valuable pieces, it's like they're trading them all for Kevin Love.

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    What is the greater fear for Cavs fans?

    #1 Wiggins is traded for Love and becomes a better player

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    #2 Lebron doesn't find a strong enough supporting crew to win a championship in his second stay in Cleveland?

    For me, it would be #2. I would be so scared I can't surround him with enough talent to win a championship the second time around. This is the fear for me. If Wiggins turns into a better player than Love and you A: already have a championship - you've won the trade. B: don't have a championship - you went all in and gave it everything while Lebron was in his prime. Either are great options and options you can hold your head high about. If you keep Wiggins and he is mediocre at best, now you're almost in panic mode.

    Remember when Michael Beasley was the next star? How about Derrick Rose? (A player can't help his team on the bench) Evan Turner, Derrick Williams, Anthony Bennett? My guess is you would have relied on each and every name on this list to pair with Lebron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSU Tony View Post
    What is the greater fear for Cavs fans?

    #1 Wiggins is traded for Love and becomes a better player

    or

    #2 Lebron doesn't find a strong enough supporting crew to win a championship in his second stay in Cleveland?

    For me, it would be #2. I would be so scared I can't surround him with enough talent to win a championship the second time around. This is the fear for me. If Wiggins turns into a better player than Love and you A: already have a championship - you've won the trade. B: don't have a championship - you went all in and gave it everything while Lebron was in his prime. Either are great options and options you can hold your head high about. If you keep Wiggins and he is mediocre at best, now you're almost in panic mode.

    Remember when Michael Beasley was the next star? How about Derrick Rose? (A player can't help his team on the bench) Evan Turner, Derrick Williams, Anthony Bennett? My guess is you would have relied on each and every name on this list to pair with Lebron.
    Man, give it up. We know you want Wiggins to be part of the trade. We believe that is what will ultimately happen. Of course they would like to find a deal where they do not have to include Wiggins, because most teams (in recent past) have not received as high of a prospect as Wiggins in a trade. LeBron is not forcing the team to trade for Love, but he would like to have him on the team if possible. The franchise cannot operate out of fear. Plus I don't see LeBron leaving after the letter he wrote. Could it happen? Sure, anythings possible.
    Michael Beasley, Evan Turner, Derrick Williams, and Bennett did not get the same amount of hub as Wiggins so those are bad comparisons.
    BTW what exactly did we get for LeBron when he left? A couple of draft picks. That's it!
    Stop trolling!!!

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    Asking some Cavs fans for an honest and non biased opinion is trolling, I guess. I'm not saying Love is the answer for you. Maybe trading in a different direction would work better? I dont' see any other teams beyond the Wolves ready to trade a star player for Wiggins, though.

    I don't see Lebron leaving either, I guess I should have been more specific about that. I'm talking about him being 30 years old and depending on physicality to dominate the competition. I don't see him aging as well as Duncan (a skill player) has. Lebron has 5 prime years left? What/how do you make the best roster possible around him while he's in his prime so you don't end up losing in the finals. That's what we're talking about here. Remember, each and every one of those prospects I listed had the Wiggins hype around them when they were drafted. People were excited about them and had high hopes only because they hadn't failed yet in the NBA. Most (even high praised prospects) end up becoming less than advertised.

    I would be more afraid of #2. What about you?
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