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    Senate Dems weaken GOP power with major filibuster rule change

    Senate Democrats bowled over Republicans on Thursday to win approval for a highly controversial rule change which would limit the GOP's ability to block nominees, in a move Republicans called a "raw power grab."

    "It's a sad day in the history of the Senate," Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said after the vote.

    Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., moving quickly following days of speculation, used the so-called "nuclear option" to pass the change. Typically, major changes like this take 67 votes, but he did it with just a simple majority.

    With Republicans fuming, the change weakens the power of the minority to stall nominations for top positions. Instead of needing 60 votes to break a filibuster, the change means Democrats will now need just 51.

    Republicans charged that Democrats were merely trying to shift focus away from ObamaCare with the move.

    "Today we face a real crisis in the confirmation process, a crisis concocted by the Democrat majority to distract attention from the ObamaCare disaster and, in the process, consolidate more power than any majority has had in more than 200 years," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said in a statement immediately following the historic vote.

    "It sounds to me like Harry Reid is trying to change the subject and if I were taking all the incoming fire that he's taking over Obamacare, I'd try to change the subject too," House Speaker John Boehner said.

    Reid won approval for the change on a 52-48 vote.

    Regardless of Reid's underlying motivations, the vote Thursday marks a major change in Senate rules. The filibuster, for better or worse, has been a defining feature of the Senate for decades. While this makes the Senate one of the slowest-moving legislative bodies in the world, it also prevents legislation and appointments from moving too fast.

    The vote on Thursday vastly reduces the power of the minority to stall nominations and makes it easier for federal judges to get lifetime appointments.

    Even Democrats have supported the right to filibuster in the past. The late Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., said in 2010 that changing the rules would "destroy the uniqueness of this institution."

    "In the hands of a tyrannical majority and leadership, that kind of emasculation of the cloture rule would mean that minority rights would cease to exist in the U.S. Senate," he said.

    The change applies to nominations for federal court and other top positions, though not for the Supreme Court.

    Reid got the ball rolling on the rule change late Thursday morning. Frustrated by Republicans' stonewalling of numerous Obama nominees, he cast the shift as vital to the Senate's survival.

    "The Senate is a living thing, and to survive it must change," he said on the Senate floor.

    But the maneuver itself threatens to make the bitter atmosphere on the Hill even more toxic, imperiling the prospect for future agreement on everything from immigration to the budget.

    McConnell charged that Reid's attempt proves the Democrats are willing to "do and say just about anything" to get their way.

    The change is the most far-reaching to filibuster rules since 1975, when a two-thirds requirement for cutting off filibusters against legislation and all nominations was eased to the 60-vote level. It delivers a major blow the GOP's ability to thwart Obama in making appointments, though Republicans have promised the same fate would await Democrats whenever the GOP recaptures the White House and Senate control.

    The clash occurred as Democrats have grown increasingly irritated by the GOP's derailing of Obama's selections for top jobs, including three picks for pivotal judgeships in recent days.

    Republicans say they are weary of repeated Democratic threats to rewrite the rules. They say Democrats similarly obstructed some of President George W. Bush's nominees and argue that the D.C. Circuit's caseload is too low, which Democrats reject.

    Nomination fights are not new in the Senate, but as the hostility has grown the two sides have been edging toward a collision for much of this year.

    The latest battle is over Obama's choices to fill three vacancies at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Since Halloween, GOP filibusters have derailed the president's nominations of District Judge Robert L. Wilkins, law professor Cornelia Pillard and attorney Patricia Millett for those jobs, which are lifelong.

    The D.C. Circuit Court is viewed as second only to the Supreme Court in power because it rules on disputes over White House and federal agency actions. The circuit's eight judges are divided evenly between Democratic and Republican presidential appointees.


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    Obama in 2005 when he was a Senator and R had control:

    Obama in '05: "What [The American] don't expect is for one party-be it Republican or Democrat-to change the rules in the middle of the game"

    God. What a ****ing joke this president is.

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    GOOD… the filibuster rule is a joke and should have been canned a long time ago….

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    lol, now that the dems have the Senate majority you want it gone.

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    There have been 82 filibusters since Obama took office.

    86 filibusters amongst all other presidents combined.

    This probably needed to be done, hissy fits do nothing for this country.

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    So, when the Republicans take control of the Senate in November and they repeal Obamacare with a 51 vote majority, you guys will be ok with it? This is something that has never been done, and it's funny how Reid/Biden/Obama were all STRONGLY against it in 2005 when Republicans were threatening it, and now that they have a majority they are for it. It's an abuse of power, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpro611 View Post
    There have been 82 filibusters since Obama took office.

    86 filibusters amongst all other presidents combined.

    This probably needed to be done, hissy fits do nothing for this country.
    Really?

    Republicans contend that their aggressive posture is merely a natural growth from a decades-long war over the federal judiciary, noting that what prompted the 2005 rules showdown were at least 10 filibusters of GOP judicial nominees. To date, only a handful of Obama’s judicial selections have gone to a vote and been filibustered by the minority.

    Dems have filibustered GOP judicial nominees 10 times, while republicans have filibustered Obama nominees 3 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    So, when the Republicans take control of the Senate in November and they repeal Obamacare with a 51 vote majority, you guys will be ok with it? This is something that has never been done, and it's funny how Reid/Biden/Obama were all STRONGLY against it in 2005 when Republicans were threatening it, and now that they have a majority they are for it. It's an abuse of power, plain and simple.

    "WHEN" LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL I have a better chance of having sex with a group of playboy bunnies then that happening

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpro611 View Post
    There have been 82 filibusters since Obama took office.

    86 filibusters amongst all other presidents combined.

    This probably needed to be done, hissy fits do nothing for this country.
    dont bother gocrew with logic.. If it doesnt fit his vision its not true to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandsalami View Post
    "WHEN" LOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL I have a better chance of having sex with a group of playboy bunnies then that happening
    ok, the Republicans are taking control of the Senate. It's going to happen and you can thank one of the worst presidents in the history for that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoCrew5 View Post
    ok, the Republicans are taking control of the Senate. It's going to happen and you can thank one of the worst presidents in the history for that happening.
    sure… you keep believing that…….. What ever gets you through the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandsalami View Post
    sure… you keep believing that…….. What ever gets you through the day
    There's no way the Dems take the Senate. Liberal Silver is predicting the R's taking over.
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    Wade will be a lot better next season now that he got knee surgery. Hate on. - 7/31/2012

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    This was from July 2013 by Nate Silver:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...a-tossup/?_r=0

    The Senate R had a +4.4 net change. They 3 "leaned democrats" were Pryor, Landrieu, and Hagan. Those 3 are now shifting towards republicans which would be a 7+ seat win for Republicans. Obviously a lot can change from now until November, but the trend isn't looking good for dems right now

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    The filibuster rules did need tweaking, not sure I like that it needs to merely be majority vote though. Sadly if the Repubs didn't whine and filibust every damn thing this probably doesn't happen. Neither side is blameless. Obama better get his veto hand strong come November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longhornfan1234 View Post
    There's no way the Dems take the Senate. Liberal Silver is predicting the R's taking over.
    Really? Silver hits a bullseye on the Presidential election, and his politics still matter?
    Visit my Blog.



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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    Really? Silver hits a bullseye on the Presidential election, and his politics still matter?
    He's still a liberal.
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    Wade will be a lot better next season now that he got knee surgery. Hate on. - 7/31/2012

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