Mariners Minor League Thread V.2

[Seattle4Ever]

Nope, there's no need to look at them. We have our ace and we're not going to get a player back with as much talent or as much upside what is there to look at?

This is the reason you were on my ignore list.

[NateyB24]

Yea, im done talking to him its like talking to a brick wall.

[BoysBullsM'sFan]

This is the reason you were on my ignore list.

I don't care about ungrateful fans that want to dump their best players at the drop of the hat and then complain when those players do well on another team. Have some loyalty to your best players it's freaking pathetic.

Since you guys are so set on thinking about trading him away. What team and what would it take ? What do you think we're going to get in return? Someone with the same potential or upside? Does trading him make us instant contenders? How much closer are we to winning without him than with him? I like to look at the Giants who didn't trade away their Ace in Lincecum and eventually won a world series. We need to draft better and develop some hitters in our far that can power the middle of our line up. Getting rid of Felix doesn't mean a championship while keeping him doesn't either where about 1000x better with him than with out him. I look forward to seeing a one two combo of Felix and Pineda for the next 4 years. I think as long as we got those two at the top of our staff anything is possible with some solid draft good FA pick ups and luck. Let me know what you guys think.

[Seattle4Ever]

I don't care about ungrateful fans that want to dump their best players at the drop of the hat and then complain when those players do well on another team. Have some loyalty to your best players it's freaking pathetic.

Since you guys are so set on thinking about trading him away. What team and what would it take ? What do you think we're going to get in return? Someone with the same potential or upside? Does trading him make us instant contenders? How much closer are we to winning without him than with him? I like to look at the Giants who didn't trade away their Ace in Lincecum and eventually won a world series. We need to draft better and develop some hitters in our far that can power the middle of our line up. Getting rid of Felix doesn't mean a championship while keeping him doesn't either where about 1000x better with him than with out him. I look forward to seeing a one two combo of Felix and Pineda for the next 4 years. I think as long as we got those two at the top of our staff anything is possible with some solid draft good FA pick ups and luck. Let me know what you guys think.

Never once did I say we should trade him. But I said we should definitely look at it. I'm not even going to read the second paragraph.

[Seattle4Ever]

Back on the iggy list we go.

[BoysBullsM'sFan]

It's funny cuz you've still haven't answered my question what's there to look at. But I guess putting me on ignore is better than answering that question. Kudos guy you're cool.

[CamraMaan]

The point is we have no idea what we can get in return if we are never willing to look at an offer. Its logic. We don't know that an offer with enough value to pull the trigger might eventually come our way. The Yankees are the most likely trade partner due to their desperacy for a better pitcher in the rotation. The more desperate they are, the better the package would get. Its entirely feasible that they would package Cano with Montero, Banuelos and more, maybe even Betances. That would give us the catcher of the future that we don't have, a better 2B which would allow Ackley to play LF/CF, and two very talented starting pitchers to eventually bring into the rotation (both of them are at AA right now). Maybe we would even be able to get Nova as well, however a departure of Felix would likely mean Pauley would get in the rotation, with less need for Nova. Also, without Felix our #2 pick in the draft can be either Rendon or Cole and they would slot nicely into the future plans, without a "want" for just Rendon.

[CamraMaan]

I just added SP Kenn Kasparek... he's down at AA, and IMO has earned the right to be watched....

About to reorganize the list so that the kids are grouped by positions and the level they are playing at, instead of alphabetically.

[Seattle4Ever]

I just added SP Kenn Kasparek... he's down at AA, and IMO has earned the right to be watched....

About to reorganize the list so that the kids are grouped by positions and the level they are playing at, instead of alphabetically.

You are the greatest thing to ever happen to this forum

[BoysBullsM'sFan]

The point is we have no idea what we can get in return if we are never willing to look at an offer. Its logic. We don't know that an offer with enough value to pull the trigger might eventually come our way. The Yankees are the most likely trade partner due to their desperacy for a better pitcher in the rotation. The more desperate they are, the better the package would get. Its entirely feasible that they would package Cano with Montero, Banuelos and more, maybe even Betances. That would give us the catcher of the future that we don't have, a better 2B which would allow Ackley to play LF/CF, and two very talented starting pitchers to eventually bring into the rotation (both of them are at AA right now). Maybe we would even be able to get Nova as well, however a departure of Felix would likely mean Pauley would get in the rotation, with less need for Nova. Also, without Felix our #2 pick in the draft can be either Rendon or Cole and they would slot nicely into the future plans, without a "want" for just Rendon.

I hear what you're saying but Felix is our best player. I don't want to see him in Yankee pin strips at all. Also I wouldn't be quick too field offers for him for a couple of reasons. One he's young and I don't think he's peaked yet. Nova doesn't have the potential that Felix has nor does he have the ability. That's not to say nova is bad but I don't think he's King Felix good. Felix is also the ace of our staff while Pineda is legit we're a lot better iwth Felix and Pineda than just Pineda and the rest of those guys. Not to sell them short either but they can improve and be better. But our staff is a lot better with Felix and Pineda the top than getting rid of either one.

Also with or with out Felix I think the #2 pick needs to be Rendon. I think we really need to be able to develop a MOTO hitter if we expect to turn around our franchise.

It also baffles me that we've gotten upset about the players we've traded that have done really well in the majors but seem to want to discuss a trade with our best player. I think that's why it's unreasonable for me to even think about it. We've already gotten rid of players who had success elsewhere. So it may not happen this year or next year however, the fact remains where better of with Felix than with out him. If we continue to develop our young guys and they come up and have an impact on the Major league level that will go a long with to us improving a long with some key FA acquisitions and a bit of luck.

[OneTuzSea]

I actually agree with BBM here to a point. And CM you were basically saying the same thing. Of course if they make an offer you look at it, but I can't think of any trade that's remotely fair for both teams that I'd do. If they offer Tex, A-Rod, Cano and CC while offering to pay their salaries, sure you'd do it but that's way past reality. There's just zero reason to trade the 24-year-old best pitcher in the league while you're rebuilding and he's under control for three(?) more years.

[Seattle4Ever]

I actually agree with BBM here to a point. And CM you were basically saying the same thing. Of course if they make an offer you look at it, but I can't think of any trade that's remotely fair for both teams that I'd do. If they offer Tex, A-Rod, Cano and CC while offering to pay their salaries, sure you'd do it but that's way past reality. There's just zero reason to trade the 24-year-old best pitcher in the league while you're rebuilding and he's under control for three(?) more years.

That's what I'm saying. But I think it'd be extremely ignorant to not look at a trade for any player.

[NateyB24]

The point is we have no idea what we can get in return if we are never willing to look at an offer. Its logic. We don't know that an offer with enough value to pull the trigger might eventually come our way. The Yankees are the most likely trade partner due to their desperacy for a better pitcher in the rotation. The more desperate they are, the better the package would get. Its entirely feasible that they would package Cano with Montero, Banuelos and more, maybe even Betances. That would give us the catcher of the future that we don't have, a better 2B which would allow Ackley to play LF/CF, and two very talented starting pitchers to eventually bring into the rotation (both of them are at AA right now). Maybe we would even be able to get Nova as well, however a departure of Felix would likely mean Pauley would get in the rotation, with less need for Nova. Also, without Felix our #2 pick in the draft can be either Rendon or Cole and they would slot nicely into the future plans, without a "want" for just Rendon.

That would be a really good package to look at id ask them to include Romine with all of those guys though because we know for sure hes going to be a catcher.

[OneTuzSea]

The point is we have no idea what we can get in return if we are never willing to look at an offer. Its logic. We don't know that an offer with enough value to pull the trigger might eventually come our way. The Yankees are the most likely trade partner due to their desperacy for a better pitcher in the rotation. The more desperate they are, the better the package would get. Its entirely feasible that they would package Cano with Montero, Banuelos and more, maybe even Betances. That would give us the catcher of the future that we don't have, a better 2B which would allow Ackley to play LF/CF, and two very talented starting pitchers to eventually bring into the rotation (both of them are at AA right now). Maybe we would even be able to get Nova as well, however a departure of Felix would likely mean Pauley would get in the rotation, with less need for Nova. Also, without Felix our #2 pick in the draft can be either Rendon or Cole and they would slot nicely into the future plans, without a "want" for just Rendon.

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Oh I didn't even notice the offer you put in here. There is no way the Yankees would do that. And they offered it we'd take it in a heartbeat. That's beyond desperate and bordering on stupid. This is the kind of deal I'm talking about that it's so far out there it's beyond possible, but obviously you'd take it if you got it.

[CamraMaan]

^ But that's the point... if we won't look at any offers, there's no chance of such a package being put on the table. Negotiations are always a process, and rarely is the first offer the one that is taken. But I disagree that such a package is not feasible... like you said, they would have to be very desperate and therefore stupid. That's always possible with the Yankees. If they see a limited window to advance to the post-season, and it requires adding a pitcher like Felix, and neglecting to make such a move means a likely exit from the playoff picture, their desperacy could drive them to do something "stupid". That package also would be less likely if its Felix's last year on contract, but with 3.5 years left on the contract its an entirely different story. Remember the trade offers everyone was theorizing about with B.J. Upton? A kid who has not yet reached his potential, and has an inherent risk because of it? Now think about a consistent ace who is the best in the AL... he's known to be the real deal, while Upton is not (yet). That package is feasible, if the condidtions for a desperate move are there.

And now I'm gonna re-order the list... never got around to it last night.