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    Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

    This could hurt Obama in the next election as the article suggested

    Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

    Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.

    Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again yesterday another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor.

    Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?"

    In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have."

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    Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state archives that he wants to make public.

    Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives.

    "It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

    For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledge that presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records, implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for re-election.

    "If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate), then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he said.

    So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for Obama – Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org published photographs of the document in August 2008.

    WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by Snopes.com and FactCheck.org.

    WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

    Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

    Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

    WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

    Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

    Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed.

    WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Roses Bulls View Post
    This could hurt Obama in the next election as the article suggested


    Read more: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833#ixzz1BSg39Bz8
    I imagine this will have just about as much relevance as whether or not he's the anti-Christ or a Muslim.

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    it's just a gateway to ammend the constitution so Arnold can run in 2012.
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    Wait.. since when did Snopes become partisan?
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    Ah.. since the article was from World Net Daily.

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    The #1 way to tell this story isnt legit is that it isnt on Fox New's webpage.
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    I think this is a non issue. The paperwork requirements needed to have been submitted for him to run in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    I think this is a non issue. The paperwork requirements needed to have been submitted for him to run in 2008.
    that's not the issue, the issue will be with the voters who might believe he wasn't born here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    Ah.. since the article was from World Net Daily.

    You can trust an article on this when they have items like this in their store:
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    I just got it off the drudge report. Didn't really look where they had gotten it at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Roses Bulls View Post
    that's not the issue, the issue will be with the voters who might believe he wasn't born here.
    And so you are promoting voter misinformation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    The #1 way to tell this story isnt legit is that it isnt on Fox New's webpage.
    or this guys show

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAZ87QCRq70

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    Quote Originally Posted by philab View Post
    And so you are promoting voter misinformation?
    WHAT??? all im saying is that when obamas candidate runs against him, I'm sure he or fox news or some other person or persons will use this issue to smear him true or not. I think your confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Roses Bulls View Post
    WHAT??? all im saying is that when obamas candidate runs against him, I'm sure he or fox news or some other person or persons will use this issue to smear him true or not. I think your confused.
    But you said the issue isn't whether Obama was actually born in the US, the issue is whether voters will believe he wasn't born in the US. And as such, this thread is at best a reckless promotion of false information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philab View Post
    But you said the issue isn't whether Obama was actually born in the US, the issue is whether voters will believe he wasn't born in the US. And as such, this thread is at best a reckless promotion of false information.
    I was just elaborating for patsfan what the article was partly trying to say. Like I had told natepro, I got this article off the drudge report, you can go and check yourself, its on there. its not like i got this report off some conspiracy sight. Also, im not promoting anything, I'm just trying to start conversation. that is the purpose of a forum. and Dbroncos is good at pointing out the bad stuff, if he thought it was so bad, he would have taken it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    I think this is a non issue. The paperwork requirements needed to have been submitted for him to run in 2008.
    This argument to me seems to be the equivalent of "bringing a knife to a gunfight". The opposite side of the argument just doesnt care whether you have facts or logic. This kind of nonsense (not targeted at you D Rose) gins up a very, very conservative segment of the base that for all the jokes about Republicans pining for the 1950s (i dont believe the first part of this statement to be true, but i do believe the second part) that actually pines for the 1850s when they could own people as property.
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