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    The First WikiLeaks Revolution?

    Tunisians didn't need any more reasons to protest when they took to the streets these past weeks -- food prices were rising, corruption was rampant, and unemployment was staggering. But we might also count Tunisia as the first time that WikiLeaks pushed people over the brink. These protests are also about the country's utter lack of freedom of expression -- including when it comes to WikiLeaks.

    Tunisia's government doesn't exactly get a flattering portrayal in the leaked State Department cables. The country's ruling family is described as "The Family" -- a mafia-esque elite who have their hands in every cookie jar in the entire economy. "President Ben Ali is aging, his regime is sclerotic and there is no clear successor," a June 2009 cable reads. And to this kleptocracy there is no recourse; one June 2008 cable claims: "persistent rumors of corruption, coupled with rising inflation and continued unemployment, have helped to fuel frustration with the GOT [government of Tunisia] and have contributed to recent protests in southwestern Tunisia. With those at the top believed to be the worst offenders, and likely to remain in power, there are no checks in the system."

    Of course, Tunisians didn't need anyone to tell them this. But the details noted in the cables -- for example, the fact that the first lady may have made massive profits off a private school -- stirred things up. Matters got worse, not better (as surely the government hoped), when WikiLeaks was blocked by the authorities and started seeking out dissidents and activists on social networking sites.

    As PayPal and Amazon learned last year, WikiLeaks' supporters don't take kindly to being denied access to the Internet. And the hacking network Anonymous launched an operation, OpTunisia, against government sites "as long as the Tunisian government keep acting the way they do," an Anonymous member told the Financial Times.

    As in the recent so-called "Twitter Revolutions" in Moldova and Iran, there was clearly lots wrong with Tunisia before Julian Assange ever got hold of the diplomatic cables. Rather, WikiLeaks acted as a catalyst: both a trigger and a tool for political outcry. Which is probably the best compliment one could give the whistle-blower site.
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    So Paypal and Amazon shut down access to the internet to Tuniusian users? Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    So Paypal and Amazon shut down access to the internet to Tuniusian users? Wow.
    How would they possibly do that?

    I didn't get the PayPal/Amazon reference at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    How would they possibly do that?

    I didn't get the PayPal/Amazon reference at all.
    PayPal and Amazon both took steps, at the behest of the US Government, to try to shut down Wikileaks. PayPal stopped allowing donations to be made to Wikileaks via its service, and Amazon rescinded an agreement to rent server space/bandwidth to Wikileaks. Wikileaks supporters in a loose organization called Anonymous struck back at these Amazon and PayPal with denial of service attacks.

    The article is poorly written, but I think they are trying to say that when Tunisian authorities attempted to cut off access to Wikileaks within their country the same activists began to attack Tunisian government web sites.
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    Ah, that makes more sense.

    I remember Anonymous (a group I know of mostly for their protests and such against Scientology) said they were going to go after Amazon, then realized how ridiculously hard that is to do and decided not to, but I didn't know it was over WikiLeaks.
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    As Lab said, they are really only indirectly connected to the story. Paypal and Amazon refused to send money to Wikileaks and supporters took it upon themselves to take those sites down i believe. The same thing happened to Mastercard and Visa i believe.

    Anyways i hope that more people protest their governments and rise up. If your government wont tell you the truth, or worse anything, then you take them down through reasonable means. In this country it is "more" easy to take your government down, but in other countries that is, unfortunately, a violent ordeal. These types of coups will not be pretty. From the book that GGGGGG-men sent me, if these guys go against the natural order (that "we" want) it will not end well for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    As Lab said, they are really only indirectly connected to the story. Paypal and Amazon refused to send money to Wikileaks and supporters took it upon themselves to take those sites down i believe. The same thing happened to Mastercard and Visa i believe.

    Anyways i hope that more people protest their governments and rise up. If your government wont tell you the truth, or worse anything, then you take them down through reasonable means. In this country it is "more" easy to take your government down, but in other countries that is, unfortunately, a violent ordeal. These types of coups will not be pretty. From the book that GGGGGG-men sent me, if these guys go against the natural order (that "we" want) it will not end well for them.
    Kinda interesting.....we'll see if it follows the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    As Lab said, they are really only indirectly connected to the story. Paypal and Amazon refused to send money to Wikileaks and supporters took it upon themselves to take those sites down i believe. The same thing happened to Mastercard and Visa i believe.

    Anyways i hope that more people protest their governments and rise up. If your government wont tell you the truth, or worse anything, then you take them down through reasonable means. In this country it is "more" easy to take your government down, but in other countries that is, unfortunately, a violent ordeal. These types of coups will not be pretty. From the book that GGGGGG-men sent me, if these guys go against the natural order (that "we" want) it will not end well for them.
    well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    As Lab said, they are really only indirectly connected to the story. Paypal and Amazon refused to send money to Wikileaks and supporters took it upon themselves to take those sites down i believe. The same thing happened to Mastercard and Visa i believe.

    Anyways i hope that more people protest their governments and rise up. If your government wont tell you the truth, or worse anything, then you take them down through reasonable means. In this country it is "more" easy to take your government down, but in other countries that is, unfortunately, a violent ordeal. These types of coups will not be pretty. From the book that GGGGGG-men sent me, if these guys go against the natural order (that "we" want) it will not end well for them.
    I don't see you out on the streets protesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by carson005 View Post
    I don't see you out on the streets protesting
    I am mostly referring to other countries (non-Democracies).

    But as far as what i was referring to in the book, if you read it you will see how useless protests and stuff like that are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Anyways i hope that more people protest their governments and rise up. If your government wont tell you the truth, or worse anything, then you take them down through reasonable means. In this country it is "more" easy to take your government down, but in other countries that is, unfortunately, a violent ordeal. These types of coups will not be pretty. From the book that GGGGGG-men sent me, if these guys go against the natural order (that "we" want) it will not end well for them.
    Do keep in mind that the US has long supported the corrupt dictatorship these people are rebelling against. Our realpolitik approach to countries like Tunisia and Saudi Arabia is one of the things that makes many Middle Easterners laugh aloud when they hear us cite our support of democracy and open government as reasons for invading their neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labgrownmangoat View Post
    Do keep in mind that the US has long supported the corrupt dictatorship these people are rebelling against. Our realpolitik approach to countries like Tunisia and Saudi Arabia is one of the things that makes many Middle Easterners laugh aloud when they hear us cite our support of democracy and open government as reasons for invading their neighbors.
    I know, as i said i have been reading a book that GGGGG-men sent me. We have a long history of propping up non-Democratically elected leaders by replacing the Democratically elected leaders (which we labeled as "socialist").

    Saudi Arabia is actually a great example, the book details our involvement in the Saudi government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    I know, as i said i have been reading a book that GGGGG-men sent me. We have a long history of propping up non-Democratically elected leaders by replacing the Democratically elected leaders (which we labeled as "socialist").

    Saudi Arabia is actually a great example, the book details our involvement in the Saudi government.
    Our relationship with saudi arabia is just insane. I know a lot of people don't take him seriously and I don;t agree with everything he says, but some things he has a point on is michael more in his movie Fahrenheit 9/11. Did you know that saudi embassy is the only embassy in the united states actually protected by our own secret service? they have a lot of influence in this country and I can't remember the exact percentage, but saudi royal family owns like 2-5 percent of this country. it's really an eye opener when you learn about the influence they have in this country.

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    Can we make this the official WikiLeaks update thread?

    Honduras: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/...ns_in_honduras

    dbroncos - sounds like the path mentioned in the book a little huh?

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