Rep Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) shot

[behindmydesk]

Most of those posters are just shooting off at the mouth.

But it points out an ironic part of this story. Sarah Palin is pretty regularly attacked in pretty vicious ways. She is one of the most attacked figures in politics.

She might be the most attacked, taking over for Cheney. Maybe i'm misjudging it but to me it's Palin, Cheney, then Bush.

Still worried about "dick" cancer and if i'm at risk.

[North Country]

What leading member of the Republican party said Obama is a Muslim socialist who was born in Kenya?

I recognize a difference in visibility, but if the goal is a more civil debate...these people are part of the debate. This is the "atmosphere" of the political climate, or whatever.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=124359632

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...roundup-of.php

[North Country]

She might be the most attacked, taking over for Cheney. Maybe i'm misjudging it but to me it's Palin, Cheney, then Bush.

Still worried about "dick" cancer and if i'm at risk.

You really think Palin's the most attacked person in politics right now? I don't see stories on the news discussing whether she' the anti-Christ or not.

[gcoll]

Watching the memorial....

I ****ing hate college.

[North Country]

Watching the memorial....

I ****ing hate college.

Good times.

[behindmydesk]

You really think Palin's the most attacked person in politics right now? I don't see stories on the news discussing whether she' the anti-Christ or not.

Only 139k results on google with Sarah Palin is the anti-Christ.

Regardless I don't pay attention to any article that's calling someone the anti-Christ. Well I take that back, I do read the national enquirer sometimes while waiting in the grocery store check out line. Bat boy is either the anti-Christ the savior or the next King of Luxembourg depends on what week.

[North Country]

Only 139k results on google with Sarah Palin is the anti-Christ.

Regardless I don't pay attention to any article that's calling someone the anti-Christ. Well I take that back, I do read the national enquirer sometimes while waiting in the grocery store check out line. Bat boy is either the anti-Christ the savior or the next King of Luxembourg depends on what week.

I think there's a difference between a google hit and a story on CNN. Do you really believe that Sarah Palin is the most attacked person in politics?

[gcoll]

Is education too left wing for ya

No. I like education.

I said I hate college.

[North Country]

No. I like education.

I said I hate college.

Is your college left wing?

[gcoll]

Is your college left wing?

I don't know. It seems to be pretty left wing. But that doesn't bother me.

[North Country]

My college is on TV right now.

Oooooh. Now it makes sense.

[behindmydesk]

I think there's a difference between a google hit and a story on CNN. Do you really believe that Sarah Palin is the most attacked person in politics?

Yes I do.

I'm def not a supporter of hers, but yes I do believe that.

[gcoll]

Oooooh. Now it makes sense.

No. It's not personal or anything. I've only been here for a semester. I just dislike the entire thing. It's not about the politics. I can deal with liberalism.

Listen to the audience. They are treating it like some sort of graduation ceremony or something. It's a memorial service in the wake of a horrific shooting, and they're all super psyched to see Obama.


And as far as your question about the most attacked. Obama might be first. But Sarah Palin is second. I can't think of anyone between she and Obama.

[philab]

oh i'm sure she will go up in flames over it, (although according to CBS 57% believe no media or things like this are to blame)

But like Gcoll pointed out, it wasn't meant to kill. It's no different then the bullseyes the democratic party put out on a map. Neither are inspiring people to kill others. No doubt in my mind this guy would have done this with or without Palin's map.

Of course it wasn't meant to kill. In the grand scheme of things, the map is a very small political mistake.

I hope her career goes down in flames because she's not fit for public office. She's anti-intellectual, hypocritical, unintelligent, and unaccomplished. This fiasco is just the cherry on top of all that.

And I'm not Democrat and certainly no Democratic apologist, but those two maps are not quite the same. One referred to entire states, the other to specific persons. First Amendment jurisprudence and case law certainly sees a big distinction there, for what that's worth. Add in the "Let's take a stand" and "RELOAD!" bits, and the two aren't the same. I'm not defending the bullseye map, but there is a difference. (And hey, guns are more dangerous than bows and arrows?)

[behindmydesk]

Of course it wasn't meant to kill. In the grand scheme of things, the map is a very small political mistake.

I hope her career goes down in flames because she's not fit for public office. She's anti-intellectual, hypocritical, unintelligent, and unaccomplished. This fiasco is just the cherry on top of all that.

And I'm not Democrat and certainly no Democratic apologist, but those two maps are not quite the same. One referred to entire states, the other to specific persons. First Amendment jurisprudence and case law certainly sees a big distinction there, for what that's worth. Add in the "Let's take a stand" and "RELOAD!" bits, and the two aren't the same. I'm not defending the bullseye map, but there is a difference. (And hey, guns are more dangerous than bows and arrows?)

We haven't conversed much, so i'll let you know I really don't care what party you are with. I will come to my own conclusion and still talk to you. I talk to those on both sides the aisle, and then talked to one guy who mistakenly thought he was one thing when he was the exact opposite of what he said he was.

On to the point:

I supported McCain and Palin. I thought she would do alright. I was not thrilled that either represented my party, but to me Palin was at least a somewhat conservative unlike McCain who took Kerry's flip flopping campaign and made a career out of it. Now I agree she says stuff just for attention, and needs to keep her mouth shut a good majority of the time, and this is def one of those times. But for what she's currently used for fundraising and rallying the base she's done well. I don't think she's unaccomplished, or un-intelligent, or anti-intelligent. To me and the members here have had this debate she was about as qualified based on experience as our current president. I think they are actually quite a bit a like. Both say things, that you know they can't live up too, both wanted to clean up Washington only to succumb to partisan politics and lobbiests. Both ramble if left without a prepared speech and a teleprompter.

On the court side, I can't imagine a court even hears the case if one (i think it will) is brought based on the map.

And to your point about the distinction between guns and arrows, to me neither have ever killed a single person, guns (or bows and arrows) don't kill people. People kill people.