New APR Rankings...The ACC Finally Dominated Something!

[homestarunner93]

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/201...-grade-in-apr/

The ACC has 6 coaches in the top 10 (actually 11, Duke and BC tied for 10th) in the new APR rankings. Dabo Swinney and Clemson are ranked third overall nationally.

1. Troy Calhoun, Air Force 985
(tie). Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern 985
3. Dabo Swinney, Clemson 982
4. Greg Schiano, Rutgers 981
5. x-Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech 980
6. Ken Niumatalolo, Navy 976
7. Randy Shannon, Miami 975
8. x-Mike London, Virginia 974
9. Chris Petersen, Boise State 973
10. x-David Cutcliffe, Duke 971
(tie). Frank Spaziani, Boston College 971

[BullsFan_1]

As bad as it sounds, and as unfortunate as it may be, that is probably a legitimate reason as to why there has been less than stellar success on the field.

[Mr. October]

The higher academic standards may hurt a little bit, but the Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama teams have high scores.

Honestly, I'm baffled by the ACC's problem. There are great coaches and great players. It is almost as if it is too even among the teams.

[Mr. October]

This is also a flawed study. It's a reflection of the coach, not the team, as it calculates the coaches ability to retain players at their current school and previous schools since 2009. So someone like Sweeney, the scores are only for his 08 and 09 seasons, I believe, maybe only 09, since he split the 08 season with Bowden. And someone like Mike London or Paul Johnson have scores from their previous scores during that time too.

And retention doesn't mean that the players are smart, it just means that they come back to school based on their scholarship.

[homestarunner93]

This is also a flawed study. It's a reflection of the coach, not the team, as it calculates the coaches ability to retain players at their current school and previous schools since 2009. So someone like Sweeney, the scores are only for his 08 and 09 seasons, I believe, maybe only 09, since he split the 08 season with Bowden. And someone like Mike London or Paul Johnson have scores from their previous scores during that time too.

And retention doesn't mean that the players are smart, it just means that they come back to school based on their scholarship.

Only because Beamer is 67th.

[Mr. October]

Only because Beamer is 67th.

Do you really think that is the reason for my post? Pretty pathetic on your part if you believe that and I'll assume that you didn't even read your own link and just looked at the rankings.

[homestarunner93]

Do you really think that is the reason for my post? Pretty pathetic on your part if you believe that and I'll assume that you didn't even read your own link and just looked at the rankings.

You're right, it is more of a reflection on the coach than the school. I never said that. That being said, Dabo's number is high because players rarely leave Clemson early. Even guys like Spiller and Ford chose to stay and play their senior year. Plus, the academic standards at Clemson are at a happy medium where you keep the idiots out (and send them to USCjr.), while allowing for adequate academic progress.

[Mr. October]

You're right, it is more of a reflection on the coach than the school. I never said that. That being said, Dabo's number is high because players rarely leave Clemson early. Even guys like Spiller and Ford chose to stay and play their senior year. Plus, the academic standards at Clemson are at a happy medium where you keep the idiots out (and send them to USCjr.), while allowing for adequate academic progress.

His number is high because Spiller and Ford came back. He hasn't had any other years for guys to leave early since he has only coached for less than two years. Clemson is a good school, but it is on the same level as VT as a university. Even very good schools like UF have problems on their team because of lax recruiting standards, so the school itself doesn't necessarily keep out bad seeds.

[homestarunner93]

His number is high because Spiller and Ford came back. He hasn't had any other years for guys to leave early since he has only coached for less than two years. Clemson is a good school, but it is on the same level as VT as a university. Even very good schools like UF have problems on their team because of lax recruiting standards, so the school itself doesn't necessarily keep out bad seeds.

But it judges on academic progress, and with the way Florida recruits, they aren't going to have much of that.

[Mr. October]

But it judges on academic progress, and with the way Florida recruits, they aren't going to have much of that.

It's called academic progress to fool people into thinking that there really is progress at these schools, but its all about eligibility and retention of scholarships. All that means is that kids have to stay in school and stay on track to keep their scholarship. This has nothing to do with "academic progress" among football players.

[homestarunner93]

It's called academic progress to fool people into thinking that there really is progress at these schools, but its all about eligibility and retention of scholarships. All that means is that kids have to stay in school and stay on track to keep their scholarship. This has nothing to do with "academic progress" among football players.

According to what?

[Mr. October]

According to what?

In 2003, the NCAA created the APR to monitor academic progress at its member institutions. The APR is basically a formula that measures semester-by-semester academic progress based on the eligibility and retention of each scholarship student-athlete.

From the same article you provided.

[homestarunner93]

From the same article you provided.

It also says its semester-by-semester progress.

[Mr. October]

It also says its semester-by-semester progress.

Yes semester-by-semester for the retention and eligibility for scholarship money. Scholarship money, like tuition, is set up for a semester-by-semester basis.