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    Quote Originally Posted by PraiseJesus View Post
    I can go find a single clip of Fox News criticizing a Republican. That proves nothing.
    True, but only for not toeing the ideological purity line.
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    Glenn Beck criticizes republicans all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PraiseJesus View Post
    I can go find a single clip of Fox News criticizing a Republican. That proves nothing.
    And I could pull up 10 more clips of him criticizing Obama and other liberals - he does it all the time. But I don't feel the need to do your research for you. If you want proof, try googling "Jon Stewart criticizing Obama". If you don't ever watch the show, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that he never takes shots at the left wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PunkShizzle View Post
    And I could pull up 10 more clips of him criticizing Obama and other liberals - he does it all the time. But I don't feel the need to do your research for you. If you want proof, try googling "Jon Stewart criticizing Obama". If you don't ever watch the show, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that he never takes shots at the left wing.
    Google "Glenn Beck criticizing George Bush"

    What is your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PraiseJesus View Post
    Glenn Beck criticizes republicans all the time.
    Can you provide a link of him doing so WITHOUT it being one of him attacking them for not following rigid conservative ideology?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    True, but only for not toeing the ideological purity line.
    Same with Stewart
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Can you provide a link of him doing so WITHOUT it being one of him attacking them for not following rigid conservative ideology?
    What does that have to do with anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PraiseJesus View Post
    Google "Glenn Beck criticizing George Bush"

    What is your point?
    I'm responding to your comments as to why Jon Stewart doesn't criticize the left wing also. I've made no claims regarding Glenn Beck.

    And since he's got a comedy show with a left wing base, the smart bet would be on him making fun of the right wing most often. I'm not sure what your point is other than that Stewart is not fair and balanced. He sure isn't, nor should he have to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PunkShizzle View Post
    I'm responding to your comments as to why Jon Stewart doesn't criticize the left wing also. I've made no claims regarding Glenn Beck.

    And since he's got a comedy show with a left wing base, the smart bet would be on him making fun of the right wing most often. I'm not sure what your point is other than that Stewart is not fair and balanced. He sure isn't, nor should he have to be.
    Your right he isn't fair and balanced.

    So him criticizing others for not being fair and balanced is hypocritical nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PraiseJesus View Post
    Your right he isn't fair and balanced.

    So him criticizing others for not being fair and balanced is hypocritical nonsense.
    Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.

    This ain't that. What is he pretending to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PunkShizzle View Post
    Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.

    This ain't that. What is he pretending to be?
    He is criticizing the actions of others when he does those same actions himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PraiseJesus View Post
    I really don't care if he is fair and balanced. But if he is going to call out someone for it then he should be fair and balanced himself.

    That is called hypocrisy.
    No, that's called being a comedian.

    A comedian can deride something one second and then praise it the next. It's not hypocrisy if both parts are funny. A comedian doesn't have to be consistent -- he has to be funny.

    For ****'s sake, how don't you understand that? Jon Stewart is making fun of X and Y for comedic purposes. He happens to lean "left" or "Democratic" or whatever, yes. So? I understand it might not be your cup of tea, but don't watch then.

    I mean, how is that any different than a comedian doing all marriage jokes or all Hispanic jokes or all stoner jokes? Yes, the comedian would have a bias one way or another. And yes, the material would tend to attract a certain audience. But that doesn't change the fact that we're still talking about a comedian here.

    The Daily Show is NOT a news program and does NOT claim to be "fair and balanced." For Jon Stewart to make fun of FOX for falsely claiming to be "fair and balanced" is for Jon Stewart to make a joke. You may not find it funny -- and hell, you may be justified -- but it's still a joke.

    You say that Stewart "keeps pulling the comedian card." That's called a punchline. It's an industry term. It's also an indication that he is, indeed, a comedian. Watch The Daily Show and you'll notice how every segment, every point, every remark ends on a comedic note. That a joke may be a biting satire, that it may contain some truth, that the setup may be just plain facts ... none of that makes the bit not a joke.

    Take the movie Dr. Strangelove. It's possibly the finest satire of the Cold War out there. But at the end of the day, it's a comedy and nothing more. Now Stewart is no Kubrick and The Daily Show is no Dr. Strangelove, but these principles apply nonetheless.

    Or better yet, take The New Yorker's political cartoons. Over the course of a hundred years or whatever, I'm sure those cartoons have derided and praised the same thing at least once. And I know that those cartoons contain an element of social or political commentary. Those cartoons also, however, strive to be funny. You wouldn't hold those cartoons to the same standard that you hold a New York Times OpEd piece, would you? And you certainly wouldn't hold those cartoons to the standards of the NYT's front page, right?
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    His fans sometimes take him too seriously though. And he sometimes takes himself seriously. He can get preachy, like I've mentioned.

    Which I don't have a problem with. I get more annoyed by the audience applause than anything Stewart says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philab View Post
    No, that's called being a comedian.

    A comedian can deride something one second and then praise it the next. It's not hypocrisy if both parts are funny. A comedian doesn't have to be consistent -- he has to be funny.

    For ****'s sake, how don't you understand that? Jon Stewart is making fun of X and Y for comedic purposes. He happens to lean "left" or "Democratic" or whatever, yes. So? I understand it might not be your cup of tea, but don't watch then.

    I mean, how is that any different than a comedian doing all marriage jokes or all Hispanic jokes or all stoner jokes? Yes, the comedian would have a bias one way or another. And yes, the material would tend to attract a certain audience. But that doesn't change the fact that we're still talking about a comedian here.

    The Daily Show is NOT a news program and does NOT claim to be "fair and balanced." For Jon Stewart to make fun of FOX for falsely claiming to be "fair and balanced" is for Jon Stewart to make a joke. You may not find it funny -- and hell, you may be justified -- but it's still a joke.

    You say that Stewart "keeps pulling the comedian card." That's called a punchline. It's an industry term. It's also an indication that he is, indeed, a comedian. Watch The Daily Show and you'll notice how every segment, every point, every remark ends on a comedic note. That a joke may be a biting satire, that it may contain some truth, that the setup may be just plain facts ... none of that makes the bit not a joke.

    Take the movie Dr. Strangelove. It's possibly the finest satire of the Cold War out there. But at the end of the day, it's a comedy and nothing more. Now Stewart is no Kubrick and The Daily Show is no Dr. Strangelove, but these principles apply nonetheless.

    Or better yet, take The New Yorker's political cartoons. Over the course of a hundred years or whatever, I'm sure those cartoons have derided and praised the same thing at least once. And I know that those cartoons contain an element of social or political commentary. Those cartoons also, however, strive to be funny. You wouldn't hold those cartoons to the same standard that you hold a New York Times OpEd piece, would you? And you certainly wouldn't hold those cartoons to the standards of the NYT's front page, right?
    Yes I know he is a comedian. We have heard it for the millionth time. It must be dark days for the democratic party when their most outspoken voice in the mainstream is a comedian.

    I understand that Fox used to claim to be fair and balanced all the time. I get it. But I have a problem with the biggest left leaning honk in media calling out another outlet for not being fair balanced, regardless of who claims what.

    I know you consider him "just a comedian", but he is more than that and everyone knows it. He has massive influence on voter opinion. He knows this and he does everything in his power to take advantage.

    I see this rally for what it is: a political event that is designed to discredit Beck, Fox News, and the "TeaBaggers".

    That is much more than comedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    His fans sometimes take him too seriously though. And he sometimes takes himself seriously. He can get preachy, like I've mentioned.

    Which I don't have a problem with. I get more annoyed by the audience applause than anything Stewart says.
    A good number of his fans are pseudo-intellectuals. They're bound to miss the point.

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