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    Quote Originally Posted by cabernetluver View Post
    To your first paragraph about who you would or would not want getting the nomination.... Not meant as a challenge to you, but as a statement from my point of view, if I felt that my choices were people who did not adhere to my political philosophy, and I had a choice of someone who bends in my direction, or, someone who leans in the opposite direction, I have no problem getting half a loaf then none at all.
    See I would personally rather have none at all than someone that was a "half loaf" in a primary match up. If that person who was more conservative than the opposition won the primary then I would vote for them in the general election. If we had primaries here in Indiana I would vote for the person who I felt more lined up with my point of view. I would have voted for O'Donnel if she fell into that category even if I did not think she could win in the general election. With that said I know literally nothing about the two people from Delaware only learning the names of the two people this morning from the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OptimisticNot View Post
    holy ******* ****. Never mind, now I'm laughing... kind of. Well, I'd laugh if that weren't so sad.

    Who's the dem running, are they at least sane?

    Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosiercubsfan View Post
    I would rather not take control of either house than nominate candidates that do not hold to Conservative principles. In the brief snippets I heard about the losing candidate in Delaware he did not fit that bill. So I am completely fine with O'Donnel giving it a run to win the election. Though I don't personally believe that the TP's are so outside the mainstream of voters in this country especially in this current political climate. With more and more independents running from the Democratic party as the presidents approval ratings continue to fall. Right now it is not a good time to be an incumbent on either side of the aisle though as we have seen.

    One thing that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread of gloating is the enthusiasm gap between the R's and D's I heard this morning that there was twice the turnout than was expected for the Republican primary. You factor that in with the fact that O'Donnel is going to be getting a lot of free publicity for a while due to the shock factor of her knocking off an establishment candidate her name will be known by everyone in the state before the day is over. If she continues campaigning as hard as she had to do to win the nomination she will be a very formidable opponent.

    As far as Palin and the presidency I don't think she will run I think she enjoys playing King maker with her endorsements. She is making money hand over fist running around and endorsing candidates. If she does run I hope she gets bounced quickly out of the primaries for the simple fact is I can't stand to listen to the woman speak. A name to look out for is Indiana's governor Mitch Daniels he has not officially announced but he is going to run for President. He is very quietly but quickly building his war chest to make a run at it. I for one would LOVE to see a Debate between Obama and Daniels.
    She's not a no-namer. This is her third Senate run. But when Karl Rove says DE 'pubs are nuts for voting for her, you begtter believe it's a lost cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patsfan56 View Post
    holy ******* ****. Never mind, now I'm laughing... kind of. Well, I'd laugh if that weren't so sad.

    Who's the dem running, are they at least sane?

    Wow.
    Yeah the dem running is alright, nothing special, but nothing crazy. Honestly I think O'Donnell is just another zealous social conservative, who is trying to hitch a free ride on the Tea Party train, even though a lot of her positions contradict the strong libertarian ideology of the tea party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OptimisticNot View Post
    Yeah the dem running is alright, nothing special, but nothing crazy. Honestly I think O'Donnell is just another zealous social conservative, who is trying to hitch a free ride on the Tea Party train, even though a lot of her positions contradict the strong libertarian ideology of the tea party.
    Well i think it is a perfect example of the conflict even within the tea party. There are those who agree with the fiscal conservative aspect but strongly dont fit in with the socially liberal aspect of the organization. Ironically, one of the groups strongest advocates i dont even feel truly fits the brand, if you will. Sarah Palin. I dont think anyone would say she is socially liberal, i think we would all describe her as socially conservative starting with her on gay marriage and drug policy for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertrat218 View Post
    If Republicans were smart, they would kick tea partiers out and make them form a new party. Extremism is the last thing we need in this country, and the tea party is about as extreme as it gets.
    no. if they do that...Tea Party's candidate will siphon conservative votes away from the GOP assuring that the Democrats will win almost every election.

    in all honesty, the GOP is screwed either way: allow the Tea Party to operate within the party and the GOP risks having candidates that's unappealing to middle america on the ballot. encourage the Tea Party to create their own 3rd party and have conservative votes siphon from them.
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    The Tea Party faction will become the GOP, and that will leave us with 2 options that ultimately suck for progressives. A far-right, conservative republican party, and a center-moderately left democratic party. The progressive is **** out of luck, time to start another movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ari1013 View Post
    She's not a no-namer. This is her third Senate run. But when Karl Rove says DE 'pubs are nuts for voting for her, you begtter believe it's a lost cause.
    Well with all due respect to Mr. Rove his way has not really worked very well in the past few election cycles. So in my opinion it is time to go in a different direction. Does that mean that I think she is a lock to win in Delaware? Not at all but I think she has more of a chance than many are giving her. The previous runs for Senate also happened to be in far different points in time and moods of the electorate than we have for this election cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOBolous View Post
    no. if they do that...Tea Party's candidate will siphon conservative votes away from the GOP assuring that the Democrats will win almost every election.

    in all honesty, the GOP is screwed either way: allow the Tea Party to operate within the party and the GOP risks having candidates that's unappealing to middle america on the ballot. encourage the Tea Party to create their own 3rd party and have conservative votes siphon from them.
    This comment based in some sort of fact or is it nothing more than your opinion? I keep seeing this pointed to in regards with the Tea Party though have never seen any proof to back it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    A GOP political operation that votes against the GOP establishment.

    And I mean...when you control nothing in government, it's kind of tough to have a leader. I would assume the leaders right now are Boehner and McConnell.
    ...in a Republican primary. Is there a Tea Party choice who is a Democrat, anywhere?

    I guess you and bmd are right. 2012 is still a couple years away, so who knows who will emerge by then.

    I had to post this b/c when I heard it I was dying laughing. On the Daily Show a couple nights back Jon Stewart said: "Mitch McConnell looks so much like a turtle...if you draw him you get into art school"

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    ...I dunno I just thought that was hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgersFan28 View Post
    So much that is false in this thread...

    Shocking revelation - there are Democrats who are also in the Tea Party.

    Not sure what VP debate you watched, but Palin certainly won the debate after being a massive underdog against a 30+ year Senator.

    First it's Tea Baggers, now it's TPers. Do you think people just don't notice these drive-by insulting names whose sole purpose is to be insulting?

    Don't confuse mainstream with establishment. The DE primary was about rejecting the long-time politician. Even though he wasn't an incumbent, Castle was a former governor, and it was easy for the Tea Party to paint him as the establishment candidate to reject.



    Tell me Schmooze, if the Tea Party really is a GOP operation as you erroneously claim, then why did the DE primary happen the way it did? Can you explain that?

    Yeah, because feeling like we're being Taxed Enough Already (TEA Party), desiring smaller government, and rejecting the notion that government is the answer to all our problems are views as extreme as it gets. Really, it's shocking just how extreme that is.



    Do me a favor. Look up what fascism actually is.

    Sure. Anything that isn't hardcore left wing will be attacked by the all the hardcore left wingers out there. They are numerous, loud, and great at attracting attention to themselves.

    That's the first time I've ever seen you take something Karl Rove said seriously. But he didn't say DE GOP voters were nuts for voting for her. Rove simply feels that they elected a candidate who won't win the general election. He could be right, and he could be wrong. Only time will tell.

    Oh, I so hope you're right about that. The quicker the progressive (aka far-left) wing is totally evicted from American politics and culture, the better off we'll all be as a country.

    Like with dbronc above, it's a shocker, I know, but there are Tea Party Democrats. Just like there are minorities, and women. Believe not the racist, slanderous remarks about the Tea Party being racist, far right wing, extremists or anything like that. That's what the haters, and those who fear the Tea Party's power to kick their sorry @$$ out of office will say about the Tea Party, but it's 100% totally, utterly, and completely false.
    Shocking revelation, the Tea Party stands for nothing of what the Democratic Party stand for. We actually do believe that the federal government has a role to play in the way the country works beyond national security. For instance, the Civil Rights Act was a beautiful piece of legislation which forbade discrimination both in the public and private sector. Before such time black people were forced to sit at separate tables and drink from different fountains.

    I dont think any neutral party would give consider any debate she had with Joe Biden a "victory". Unless you consider not doing horribly a victory, which it would be a pretty desperate person to do so.

    If im not mistaken it was the tea party who used the term "tea bagger first". This could be an example.

    One reason why every single Republican should be scared about tea party candidates is because they will never compromise for fear they will be booted out of office or worse. The age of compromise has been killed this election cycle.

    Most of the people who are actually out there protesting are barely getting taxed at all. They are talking about raising taxes on those who make 250,000 a year. The average tax "break" for those above totals to roughly 300,000 dollars because the "ultra" rich get factored in.

    Here is a nice comparison (or distinction) between socialism and fascism.
    http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

    Yea because those programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are awful, that is why their popularity in America is so low. I assume it is why after Bush mentioned he wanted to privatize it his popularity went through the roof, and it is why all the tea party folks are screaming up and down to repeal it. Actually, no, they have to hide their secret desires because they know it would push them even further to the left and ensure that they never get elected as was said about Christie O'Donnell "dog catcher".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgersFan28 View Post
    Tell me Schmooze, if the Tea Party really is a GOP operation as you erroneously claim, then why did the DE primary happen the way it did? Can you explain that?.
    Not sure why that's funny, but my response would be that they voted in the REPUBLICAN primaries...

    It's simple, they chose one Republican over the other. It's not rocket science. The Tea Party is doing what it was predicted to do...divide the Republican party.

    Plus it's my understanding ONLY Republicans can vote in a Republican primary anyway.

    Like with dbronc above, it's a shocker, I know, but there are Tea Party Democrats. Just like there are minorities, and women. Believe not the racist, slanderous remarks about the Tea Party being racist, far right wing, extremists or anything like that. That's what the haters, and those who fear the Tea Party's power to kick their sorry @$$ out of office will say about the Tea Party, but it's 100% totally, utterly, and completely false.
    I said has there ever been a Democrat CHOICE from the Tea Party, meaning have they ever endorsed a Democrat...

    I won't even address the rest of your post, but feel I should educate you on the Tea Party being a supposed "grassroots organization":

    created by Dick Armey(Republican), funded primary by FreedomWorks (Republican)plus a variety of corporate sponsors, endorsed by FOX News(Republican), ...with only Republican speakers. Plus the attendees are fed up with government, but only decided to protest after late January 2009. It must also be a coincedence that their chants and statements echo GOP talking points. Their own statements on polls that you all enjoy so much reflect this.

    I mean, is there really even a debate anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DodgersFan28 View Post
    Not sure what VP debate you watched, but Palin certainly won the debate after being a massive underdog against a 30+ year Senator.
    what?

    http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-03/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502163_1...35-502163.html

    I have never seen a poll that references palin being the winner in that debate. I would love to see one. Was it a HAnnity viewer's poll?

    The only time I ever hear this is when I tune into Rush or Hannity for some laughs or from some other unfounded statement. I have yet to see anyone outside of GW Bush's approval rating make this statement.

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    How can you "win" the debate when you start off by saying: "I'm not gonna answer the questions the way you may want them"...then when you are presented with a question, completely change the subject: "Uh that's a great question but I wanna talk about job creation..." then rifle off stammered responses which are obvious, pre-written statements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosiercubsfan View Post
    Well with all due respect to Mr. Rove his way has not really worked very well in the past few election cycles. So in my opinion it is time to go in a different direction. Does that mean that I think she is a lock to win in Delaware? Not at all but I think she has more of a chance than many are giving her. The previous runs for Senate also happened to be in far different points in time and moods of the electorate than we have for this election cycle.
    Fine. She's not a lock to lose, but she definitely has a much smaller shot of winning than Castle did. Castle also wasn't a complete lock to win but he was definitely a heavy favorite for it, just as she's the heavy favorite for the L.
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