Lounge 1.8: The IABF Memorial Thread.

[doyerfan59]

First, those 800IP mean something, its like at the later parts of the draft everyone just wants to assume its OK to take current players (which by all means, keep doing that because it only further proves my point that Halladay and Santana are the best SPs in the draft)

But, I digress...lets move on to the WAR

Now I dont claim to kno all that much about these advance stats but I know people respect and follow them, here's what I dont understand:

Felix 2006: 4.52ERA 1.34WHIP 3.91FIP 8.3 K/9 2.93 K/BB- 191IP
Rijo 1988: 2.39ERA 1.13WHIP 2.58FIP 8.9 K/9 2.54 K/BB- 162IP

Can someone explain to me how Felix and Rijo both get a 3.8WAR for those seasons?

How is it Felix's WAR is the same? Do those 29IP really make that much of a difference?

Rijo absolutely dominated in 1988 but his WAR is the same as a pitcher who shelled out an average season?

Felix might be close to Rijo is WAR, but doesnt all of that make you wonder how thats even possible?

Can someone please explain that ^ to me?

Say what you will about Felix, Rijo has those 800 more IP under his belt, his career numbers are quite similar, and unlike Felix, Rijo has actually shown some postseason ability.

and THIS is why War is a schrewd stat in this game.

Rijo> Felix...

[Pittz]

I'm no expert either, but my assumption would be that the replacement level player was better in '88 than '06. WAR is relevant only for the players of that year; if Felix had Rijo's numbers in '06, his WAR would have been much higher.

I think a lot has to do with the IP that you mentioned. Look at the IP leaders for '88 - 275, 270, 267, more in the 260's, etc. Rijo was wayyy below. The IP leaders for '06 - 240, 235, 234, etc.

Does that make sense?

[whitesoxfan83]

Yea it makes sense, I just dont understand how thats possible.

I understand the concept of WAR, I just find it absurd that its even possible.

The difference in replacement level IP ultimately causes a 2.34ERA and a 1.13WHIP to basically be as good as a 4.52ERA and 1.34WHIP.

That concept seems lost on me...

[VRP723]

Going to Vegas on Monday, pretty pumped

[whitesoxfan83]

And on BaseballReference Felix's WAR for that season is 1.7

The WAR numbers dont even matchup site to site, I just dont like using it as an argument, but Ill keep putting it in my clubhouse because people like using it. I just dont think it should be in the end all be all stat for SP.

[whitesoxfan83]

Going to Vegas on Monday, pretty pumped

I have never been but that sounds sweet...

[AP=MVP]

I love that Guardado fell, I wouldn't want him as my closer but as a lefty specialist he is great

[whitesoxfan83]

Damn those Jays are fast...

COME ON KC!

[slugger82685]

Going to Vegas on Monday, pretty pumped

im gonna be in vegas on monday too!!!

[poodski]

I'm no expert either, but my assumption would be that the replacement level player was better in '88 than '06. WAR is relevant only for the players of that year; if Felix had Rijo's numbers in '06, his WAR would have been much higher.

I think a lot has to do with the IP that you mentioned. Look at the IP leaders for '88 - 275, 270, 267, more in the 260's, etc. Rijo was wayyy below. The IP leaders for '06 - 240, 235, 234, etc.

Does that make sense?

Well average FIP in 2006 was 4.53 where was in 1988 it was only 3.73. So thats a big part of it, and Felix FIP was at 3.75 and 2.58.

The other issue is that Rijo only threw 113 innings as a starter, and he had no saves in his 30 games as a reliever. In fact he was only given 1.7 runs in those innings as a reliever.

So what this means to me is that when Rijo pitched out of the pen it was in low leverage situations and there for meaning just about nothing. So basically he only threw 113 inning that mattered.

Those 113 innings were worth almost what Felix was worth over 191 (1.7 runs worse).

[AP=MVP]

Crawford was great pick for Jays because they have Dunn, and late in games Crawford can come in to run and play defense

[VRP723]

im gonna be in vegas on monday too!!!

Omg Omg Omg

[slugger82685]

Crawford was great pick for Jays because they have Dunn, and late in games Crawford can come in to run and play defense

yeah we loved him as depth for our team especially with his speed.

[slugger82685]

Omg Omg Omg

where u stayin?

[doyerfan59]

Have fun at Vegas dude, I've been there a few times but I want to go when I am 21.. Lots of **** to do